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Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
« Reply #520 on: October 17, 2020, 10:19:27 PM »
OGH,

   Good looking cookie projects. I envy you guys with the epoxy skills and the things you do with it.

   On the bench legs I use the same size auger bit as my tenon. Ideally the legs would be dry and the top still drying so it gets tighter as it dries. I use metal sledge hammer wedges (I buy them by the pound from House handle Co in Arkansas) and they work good. They can be installed without having to cut a slot like the wood ones which removes another step from the processing. I like the idea of a slightly smaller mortise but have not found a 1-7/16" auger bit to match my 1-1/2" tenon. If you don't like to see the top of the metal wedge you could countersink them a little and make up some wood putty with sawdust and sander dust off the bench top and hide the metal.
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Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
« Reply #521 on: October 17, 2020, 10:57:29 PM »
OGH,

   Good looking cookie projects. I envy you guys with the epoxy skills and the things you do with it.

   On the bench legs I use the same size auger bit as my tenon. Ideally the legs would be dry and the top still drying so it gets tighter as it dries. I use metal sledge hammer wedges (I buy them by the pound from House handle Co in Arkansas) and they work good. They can be installed without having to cut a slot like the wood ones which removes another step from the processing. I like the idea of a slightly smaller mortise but have not found a 1-7/16" auger bit to match my 1-1/2" tenon. If you don't like to see the top of the metal wedge you could countersink them a little and make up some wood putty with sawdust and sander dust off the bench top and hide the metal.
I don't use wedges, just glue. I use a 1-1/2 tenon cutter, but they come out pretty rough and give me all kinds of gluing grief. SO I drill the hole at 1-3/8' and sand the tenons round and use a size jig to hand fit them, then I can slide 'em into the bench hole and just give a couple of raps with a leather mallet to set the home.
As for the epoxy, there is no skill, just lots of time on my elbows with a toothpick poking it into the cracks and pulling up air bubbles. Mostly what I use it for is filling drying splits in the wood and defects. It firms it up, adds strength and I don't have to worry about a crack growing any further. When I sand the slab it all comes in flat and smooth. By the way, there is no epoxy in those cookies at all.
I am wondering lately if anyone has ever tried using the epoxy resin as a glue for things like bench legs? It should be really strong if I guess right. More expensive, but I might just try that sometime.
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« Reply #522 on: October 18, 2020, 10:00:56 AM »
I once set a 8# sledge head on a now fiberglass reinforced plastic handle, and it came with a 2 part epoxy to fill in the gap between handle and hole.  I have tried it on tomahawks and it will last a year, and then with all the abuse of throwing hawks, it will loosen and then start breaking.  i think it would work well on a bench, as it is adhesive, and can be colored and wood flower added as a filler.  could also just use glue, and then tighten up any void with epoxy.  the idea of the tomahawk, is that the handle gets wider at the top, and the steel slides up onto the wedge are, and can be tightened as needed.  it is supposed to come apart in an effort to not always break the handle on a crazy bad throw.  the hole (I am sure there is a name for this) is supposed to be wider on the top to match the flare in the handle.  Mine are cheaper versions and it can be hard to tell which way they go.  the eye maybe?
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« Reply #523 on: October 18, 2020, 11:20:56 PM »
Yeah Doc, I might try that. I found out today one of the benches I made in the past 2 years has a loose leg some it is coming back for 'factory service'. I might try using epoxy on it just for fun. I have to do an analysis first. ;D
 Today was a full day even though I slept late after staying up watching some old re-runs I got into last night. I started around 9, did some more sanding while the coffee cooked and made a jig for slicing some cookies down. Then I headed out to the mill and cut the legs on 3 benches.


 
 I clamped the heck out of them and it all went OK, then I tried the cookie jig and that worked fine too. 


 
SO I wrapped up on the mill and back into the shop. I sanded the tops on those 3 benches and cleaned up any older issues. I had glued the legs on 2 back in June but never cut the legs. I hate cutting legs. I got them to the point of putting on the tung oil so I could see the grain. SO now I have a trio of benches near finished.


 

All 3 are different and I still need to apply urethane after they dry. Then I started work on those thinner cookies and did some rough sanding to get them flat. It was a full day and my feet are tired.


 

Tomorrow I will figure out how I am approaching them. 
 After dinner I had visitors to the shop and they looked at some of my stuff and we had discussions about prices. They saw my oddball cookie I have been using as an epoxy repository for all my leftovers, I figured it as a 5 year project that might get finished someday. It caught their eye and they offered me 500 bucks to make a corner table out of it. It's a lot of salvage work on a pithy, weak, long shot, and my confidence is low, but I will give it a shot.
 Tomorrow is another day.
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Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
« Reply #524 on: October 18, 2020, 11:57:57 PM »
OGH,

   What are the horizonal pieces on the legs for? I just drive the 4 legs in, turn the bench upside down on the mill, clamp securely, set my height to 17", spread the band out wide enough to reach them all and saw. when finished all the legs are the same height and same angle. 
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« Reply #525 on: October 19, 2020, 08:47:05 AM »
Those are braces for rigidity. If I don't clamp those on the blade grabs the leg and it snaps over. I fear without all the clamps it might rip the bench out of the mill. I am not taking chances. Early on I had a leg grab and snap. That was enough for me. This is why I hate cutting legs.
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Re: Staying Busy and out of trouble, 2020-21?.
« Reply #526 on: October 19, 2020, 09:45:35 AM »
   Okay, I see said the blind man to the deaf wife on the telephone. I learned to slow down my cut on legs to prevent pulling them out.
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« Reply #527 on: October 19, 2020, 09:47:40 AM »
try a finer, less angled blade, and ease into it.  I also worry about a bench as a projectile.  I have bent a guide roller bracket, but not from a bench, cuase I hand cut them with a fine Japanese pull saw.  "fine" meaning small teeth, not expensive. got it at Lowes a marples I think.  any fine saw should be ok.  if off a little, I tune the angle and 4 legs with a belt sander.  I set it on the floor, then flip it over and hit the two that are hittin.  it is easy to mix up as you flip it over.  I throw a chunk of masking tape on the legs.  upside down and backwards gets the best of us.
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« Reply #528 on: October 19, 2020, 09:49:43 AM »
I think a flat on both top and bottom with square sides will be easier on the mill, than live edge and with a natural bottom side.  Since you like music, brings to mind the "big boned gal"  song, done by K.D. Lang et. al.   8) :D
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« Reply #529 on: October 19, 2020, 09:54:38 AM »
OGH can you post a pic. of your tenons?  are they still "groovy"  man?  :) Depends on the wood, and moisture, but mine come out pretty even and smooth after getting my cutters tuned up and dialed in.

I like the clamp of the bench direct to the bed.
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« Reply #530 on: October 19, 2020, 03:39:48 PM »
The tenons are the same. The legs I am using now I had made beck in April. This method of sanding to fit is working quite well for me. It allows me the correct any mis-aligmnet or add a deviation to make it fit better. Given many decades of off hand grinding cutting tools to fairly precise shapes, it only takes me about 44 seconds per leg to make a nice squeak fit.

I have a couple of pull saws and use them for cutting off the tenons after gluing, but find the mill is more accurate for getting the legs even and flat. It just works for me but care must be excercised in the execution lest ones winds up wearing the Bench and blade as a necklace. ;D :D I think that would just be too gaudy for my taste.
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« Reply #531 on: October 19, 2020, 08:15:43 PM »
I like the dry leg, and wet seat so the hole shrinks up on the tenon.   :o :o :o :) :) :) :D :D :D
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« Reply #532 on: October 19, 2020, 10:14:16 PM »
   I use my HF pull saw to saw the excess tenon off the surface side of my bench then it will lay flat on my mill while I cut the legs to length. I have a 3{ tenon peg and am using 2" LE slabs so nearly an inch of excess on each bench. I use a 4 degree blade most of the time and ease into the cut. 
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« Reply #533 on: October 22, 2020, 11:12:43 PM »
Harry, meant to respond earlier, I do mine the same as you. I have a couple of pull saws, they work well.
 The last two days have been busy. My son has had his truck in my shop for a couple of weeks to replace the rear springs, get some frame welding done, do brakes and drums, new electric fuel pumps and a bunch of other stuff. He and his guys have come in to do work every other day or so balanced with the weather and he is putting in evenings as he can. It's an inconvenience for me, but I work around it and it's a big part of why I put the lofts in so I can work upstairs. They now complain (mildly) that it is too hot in the shop (70), but them seem to muddle through. ;D Yesterday as they started to button things up on the truck, a new door 'showed up' for the back of the shop which they spent several hours putting in. I had no idea I needed a new door.
 First there was a door.


 
Then there was no door.


 
Then there was a door again.


 
 My son had decided the sill rot was too bad and I needed a new door. I didn't think so, but I'll take it. I told them not to touch the inside trim, I have some maple I will try to do up nice, just for the heck of it. I started ripping and planing that today before this surprise work party showed up. I am having a hard time getting used to the windows in this door, but I will come around.

Today, they finally pulled the truck out, swept up, put tools away, and tried to make it like they found it. They are getting better at it.
 They also pulled in a pressure washer and did my back deck on the house which is dangerously slippery with years of pollen and moss. Also did some yard chairs, the front walk, and the breezeway area that is also covered in moss. They pretty much pressure washed everything in sight that needed it.


 
If it dries, I will get some deck treatment on it, I have a ton sitting here, but I am not sure when it will dry with the weather forecast. I may just treat it anyway and hope it holds, just to get the material used up, I have had it for years.
They hung a new gutter on my porch roof, we worked together to get a header and tarp up over the wood pile to help shed the rain and did a bunch of other stuff. They left at 3 to go do some of the regular work (fall cleanups, etc). It's not a roof, but it should help the rain and snow slide off. Certainly, it will get us through this first winter.


 
 A pretty good day, nice to have these guys help me out. We used my rainwater system and pump to supply the pressure washer and it worked pretty dang well. The tank kept up with the 275 gallons they used and I pumped another 150 gallons from my backup barrels to refill it after they finished. The barrels are closed up now for the winter pretty much. If I can get it full again I want to hook up my 150 GPM gas pump with a 3/4 straight bore fire nozzle and blast out my culverts. That would be my shutdown process for the tank to empty it and close it off for the winter.

 Yes, I have been working on stuff in the shop during all this over the days since my last update, mostly that sick cookie is on my mind, but I have been doing re-sanding and urethaneing the benches I have in work, a lot of tiny pours dripping epoxy into the 4 little open center cookies I am working on and also small pours to repair a break and fill other cracks in that commission table (sick cookie) I have. It's amazing how those few simple things can fill a day from 7am to 8pm, but they do.
 Tomorrow is another day, right?
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« Reply #534 on: October 25, 2020, 11:41:12 PM »
Short update, not a lot going on just filling my days with stuff that has to be done. Not even sure when I did some of this stuff, it just all flows together as I go from 'thing' to 'thing'.
 I have that sick cookie I have been working on in dribs and drabs. The other night I did a pour to finish the repair where I broke it off and then I pulled off what I guess some folks are calling a deep pour to fill in a natural void where the bark and maybe rot fell out.


 
Maybe you can see it better in this photo.





I have also been painting epoxy on the edges on this slab to give me a nice clean surface that will hold tape so I can do another pour to fill in the level where it drops off on one of the ears. Not sure how that is going to work or if I can keep it from leaking out given the irregular shape, but I would like to make the top as flat as possible. This one will take a lot of epoxy (for me) and I would hate for it to wind up on the floor. I am putting a lot of thinking time into this one and will be making a jig to pack in some backing material to the edges.


 

The entire ear around that deep pour drops off about 1/2" over a length of 6-10". If it works it will look pretty cool. SO my thinking here is 'go big or go home' and we will see what happens. The client expects something neat and glossy looking. I have a sanding and oiling session to do first to get the color right in this area before I do the pour.

 The other stuff that has filled my days is already fleeting out of my head. I spent the afternoon yesterday helping a neighbor cut-split-stack. Easy to do because they all turned out to work and I brought my splitter and turned the neighbor loose with it, I bucked, his wife stacked (big surprise for me, she is one of the best and neatest stackers I have ever seen, blew me away. She is a city gal, never stacked before, nobody took time to teach her anything. She is a natural. Stacks better than me, no kidding. I was impressed.) I left them in good shape, but had to get off the my grandson's 5th birthday party. Early this morning I finished up the inside trim on the back door that I made from some ambrosia maple. I tried some stuff out on it like using tung oil (won't do that again, too dark) and spray urethane (eh, it's ok, but took 3 coats). I had some arbor coat gallons and when I opened them this morning one was solid so it went right in the dump trailer, other other I could mix so I used the airless sprayer and put a coat on the newly cleaned deck but a gallon was not near enough, so I came up short and just wound up doing the horizontal surfaces. It's supposed to rain tonight. I have 15 gallons of log home sealer so I may open one of those buckets tomorrow and see if that is usable to finish off the deck. I just want to get it treated to make it last a little longer,, don't care much what it looks like. The wife, OTOH, may have different thoughts, but I am fighting the season's at this point and I can't hear her over that noise. ;D
 After the debacle of trying to get the deck done (or not), I decided to have another debacle because as I was scrounging for the deck sealer I found the remnants of a 5 gallon bucket of floor and garage paint that I bought for the first loft I built. I figure it's nearly 5 years old now and probably going soon, so I opened it and after a half hour of stirring the color came back and it was pretty consistent, but REALLY THICK. I cleared out the Mule bay, swept, scraped and vacuumed the best I could. I called the boss and delayed dinner by and hour, then filled a tray and started rolling. That was yet another mistake in my day. The roller couldn't roll it. It was like pushing thin gooey cement. I finally gave up and just poured the paint on the floor and spread it with the roller. The right way (I know now) is to just squeegee it out. SO I may do another coat tomorrow morning, now that I have found a squeegee leaning on the wall outside the shop (in the dark). ;D
 To top off my comedy of errors day, I had thought to lock both the garage door and side door where I was painting in case either I forgot about the paint or my son came by and didn't know about it. Good idea right? Yeah, it was of course, but when I was done I realized both light switches I needed to shut off are right next to the door I locked (one in front of the door, and of course, one behind the door). I can't find a key to the door (assuming I have one). So now the floor looks OK, but I really didn't want to leave the lights on all night. Finally I realized there was a 14' piece of trim we had primed today for replacement use on the garage soffit, so I reached with that and shut off the lights. No big deal, but I felt like I could do nothing right today.
 Tomorrow is another day and I'll try again to get it right. ;D
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« Reply #535 on: October 27, 2020, 07:38:15 PM »
Well with the weather changing and daylight shorter I guess I am beginning to make the transition to working in the shop more and keeping the stove going. Still have a hard time keeping an overnight fire probably because I fill it around 8pm and am not getting back out until 12 hours later, add to that I am still burning junk wood and wet stuff from the slab pile and I am not too worried. The shop is always at least 62 when I get out there in the morning, so far.
 Yesterday I put a second coat of paint on the floor section, but this time with a squeegee which was a bit easier and faster, just not as neat. I let that dry all day and overnight. Started moving a few things back this afternoon between other tasks.



 
 Still not sure how far I might go with this before spring, but my son got excited when he saw it and went and bought me 2 gallons of drylok so I could continue on. We shall see. Still want to float 100# or so of self-leveler to smooth off over the former grease pit. He has one of his guys that is really good at it, but who knows when they might show up. Could be this week, could be next month or later. No rush, just more work for me.
 I went back to work on that cookie today, it needed another pour (I think I am at about 20 by now, mostly small for holes) and now I am getting close on the major stuff so I had to level it up well. There is one 'wing' and this that is lower (tapers off) because of a felling cut and I am trying to make that wing level with the rest of the cookie before I do the final top pour. I had taped and damned it up yesterday and poured a full cup of epoxy. It didn't look too bad.


 

There were 2 tiny leaks that sealed themselves up eventually, but I ran out of height on the tape just as I ran out of epoxy. Today I increased the height and after careful leveling, I poured another full cup. Still not enough. The photo above is before today's pour. Looks like I still need nearly a 1/2" of fill out at the edge. I am not rushing this, I don't want to screw it up and I am pretty nervous about the whole project, I tried to talk them out of using this cookie, I really did. As long as I keep it clean I can just keep adding layers. To that end, I am now putting a tent over it to keep any stuff in the air from landing on it.



 

I sure hopes this looks pretty when I am done. The client wants 24" hairpin legs, so I ordered them today. When I finally get the top level I will flip it and start working on the bottom straps, which will all be odd cuts. I want to have support under it as much as possible because this cookie is too fragile to take a hit, let alone hold a screw. Hopefully the legs will show up and I can do some rough figuring on placement as I go. After the straps are done and I finish the bottom, I'll flip it back and finish the top.
 Other than that, not much done in the last couple of days, we had the Grandson's yesterday so I helped the 5 year old (his birthday yesterday) paint a little hobby knick knack box to keep his small treasures in. Right now, he makes me look good as a painter. :D
 Today, as it was not raining so I hooked up the gas water pump and used a fire hose to try to blow clear on of my culvert pipes with minimal results.
 Tomorrow is another day, we shall see what that brings.
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OK, maybe I am the woodcutter now.
I can work with wood, but I am NOT a Woodworker, yet.

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« Reply #536 on: October 27, 2020, 08:49:10 PM »
Looks great. Since they put that nice door in for you with the window. Dont be standing around looking out 😂😂

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« Reply #537 on: October 27, 2020, 09:20:52 PM »
Funny you mention that. I will confess to glancing out the window when I pass by, but I don't stand there. Mostly I am wondering what my nutcase neighbor is up to now. But the funny thing is the windows keep catching me off guard. Every time I enter through the door on the opposite corner and see light in the far corner (new door) I think 'Dang it! some body left the dang door open again", then I realize it is just the window. 
When I am working at the bench next to that door I keep thinking somebody it just outside the door looking in (it is the end of the woodpile). Yeah, that door is throwing me off, but not in the way I would have thought.
 It does add more light to the bench area during the day, and outside the door for getting wood at night. It is also a lot tighter than the old one for sure. Every little bit helps.
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OK, maybe I am the woodcutter now.
I can work with wood, but I am NOT a Woodworker, yet.

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« Reply #538 on: October 28, 2020, 09:26:04 AM »
Is there a different epoxy for joints than for fills?   Was thinking of using some for glue joints in my projects, and Doc mentioned hammer handles, thinking I might try that.
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That big cookie is going to turn out very nice.


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