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Re: My circ saw at the mill is dead, What to replace with?
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2020, 03:33:19 PM »
I bought a Milwaukee 18 volt fuel circular saw 4 years ago.I love it.That being said after 3 years the electronics went on it but it was warranteed by Milwaukee and fixed for nothing.I have since added drill and impact driver,detail saw,reciprocating saw and a string trimmer.
The saw is really sweet,I don't carry many corded tools except for my Bosch contractors saw and my old 1013 Makita sliding compound saw.
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Re: My circ saw at the mill is dead, What to replace with?
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2020, 03:40:18 PM »
Yeah that's another plus with Milwaukee- a 5 year warranty. That's nothing to shake a stick at!
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Re: My circ saw at the mill is dead, What to replace with?
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2020, 03:41:23 PM »
If you want max power cordless power get 60 volt worm drive 7 1/4 Dewalt

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Re: My circ saw at the mill is dead, What to replace with?
« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2020, 03:51:35 PM »
THE FLEX VOLT DEWALT

20V/60V MAX* FLEXVOLT 9.0 AH BATTERY. the tool automatically adjusts to The Battery you have in

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Re: My circ saw at the mill is dead, What to replace with?
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2020, 03:57:37 PM »
Couldnít get it out of that big bold print 😂😂😂

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Re: My circ saw at the mill is dead, What to replace with?
« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2020, 04:10:00 PM »
60v print, overloaded the FF. Better check if the administrator is OK   :D
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Re: My circ saw at the mill is dead, What to replace with?
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2020, 04:15:48 PM »
Get the feeling WB is a DeWalt fan? :D
I've actually got a lot of their tools but they can't seem to make a saw I'd like to own. Basically when B&D bought them they moved their industrial line to that brand, and then eroded the quality of both. But that is the nature of biz.
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Re: My circ saw at the mill is dead, What to replace with?
« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2020, 05:19:29 PM »
Have a sears craftsman sawmill brand corded saw, had it 30 years, cuts as good as the day I bought it.  Also use a cheap HF corded saw and I do not baby it one bit and it can take it.
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Re: My circ saw at the mill is dead, What to replace with?
« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2020, 05:56:19 PM »
My old 18 volt Dewalt runs the battery down quickly.  Works a little better in the sawzall, and pretty good on drills.  I had several Dewalt drills when they went to Lithium ion, still have several good nicad batteries.  Have been buying Hitachi now Metabo drills when on sale, but already have one dud battery.  They are 18 volt, and work OK in a drill, can't imagine they have enough power in a circular saw.

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« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2020, 06:22:42 PM »
You can't compare the power of the old NiCad 18 volt stuff to the new Li-ion 20v brushless tools. The combination of higher amp hour ratings with the brushless technology is a whole different ball game. I have an old 18v Dewalt circular saw (6 1/2") and while it is useful, it doesn't even compare to the newer 7 1/4" brushless saw.
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Re: My circ saw at the mill is dead, What to replace with?
« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2020, 06:56:20 PM »
half the stuff is prob. made in the same factory, just use a different color plastic for the injection molding.  ;) :)
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« Reply #31 on: May 23, 2020, 07:11:37 PM »
You can't compare the power of the old NiCad 18 volt stuff to the new Li-ion 20v brushless tools. The combination of higher amp hour ratings with the brushless technology is a whole different ball game. I have an old 18v Dewalt circular saw (6 1/2") and while it is useful, it doesn't even compare to the newer 7 1/4" brushless saw.
Your absolutely right. Some of the 18v batteries where a pain to get in and out of various tools at times. ( Dewalt makes a adapter that fits in the 18v to use the 20v battery). The 20v will cut 2x wet treated good for the weight of saw. When you get to the bigger stuff with bigger batteries and multiple batteries the saws are cumbersome and big. Personally I think any good name brand with the lithium ion battery will work fine. You need to see what feels good ergonomically in your hand ,the switch positions for quick one hand control and multiple tool and battery offerings not so much the color of the tool. One of the tools that I have that has been out for several years  that I find amazing still is the oscillating tool. Iíve put carbide metal blades on and cut nuts off up under a sinks that where so corroded you couldnít get them off any other way. Suburban tire carrier wouldnít come down (made a few cuts).Then fine unusual cuts in wood, metal, plastics and so on 

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Re: My circ saw at the mill is dead, What to replace with?
« Reply #32 on: May 24, 2020, 10:46:09 AM »
Another vote for Dewalt 60v Max circular saw.  Iíve used a Milwaukee and my 60v Max and donít see much difference.  The battery system is what tipped the scale to Dewalt.  I already have drills, impact driver, oscillating saw all from Dewalt. 

Which ever way you choose, keep the battery system compatible.  Tools arenít cheap but batteries are expensive!
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« Reply #33 on: May 24, 2020, 11:15:55 PM »
Got back home.  I knew had two Bosch 18V circ saws that used the old Ni Cad battery.  Those never lasted long enough to make those saws worth using.  But my idea was, could those saws possibly share the same motor housing with the newer one?

I used to work for Bosch designing Dremel and Rotozip tools.  So I know the intricacies of designing those tools.  If you're changing models, you may not be changing the motor or motor shaft assembly.  If they were just changing battery types, maybe the rest of the tool stayed the same?

Well it turns out the two saws I had at home were the 1662 and the 1664.  My newer Li Ion battery tool is the CCS180.  The motor housing and base of the 1664 looked like they were the same as the CCS180.  The only difference was the battery interface in the handle.


 
So I started to dissassemble the CCS180 handle.  First I had to remove the base locking lever.
Turns out I was wrong in my previous post, you can readjust the position of the locking lever.  Unfortunate I'd been living with that annoyance for so long.  The lever can be clocked in other positions.



I opened the CCS180 handle, which is a neat package with two wires going to the motor.  I clipped those wires close to the motor and removed the lower handle with all the stuff in it.


 
I then opened the 1664 handle.  It was much simpler electronically.  


 
I then removed the handle halves leaving the motor housing with the wires and switch hanging.


 
Then I tried installing the newer handle assembly onto the 1664 motor assembly.  PERFECT FIT!
They hadn't changed the design on the interface of the handle to motor assembly.


 


All I had to do now was clip the motor wires and connect them to the two from the newer handle.  Unfortunately I have all my good Del City Butt connectors down at my other place.  They are heat shrink plastic with a solder ring in the center so when you heat it with the heat gun, It solders and heat shrinks in one step.  I'll have to do that part tomorrow. I put two screws in the other half of the handle to button it up.


 

Now this previous model saw (1664) has the next model handle (CCS180) that uses the newer Li Ion batteries.  Didn't cost me anything As I got those two older tools free when I worked there (they were engineering samples that were going to be thrown out).  Still even if you just found a 1664 on facebook or craigslist or wherever for a low price, you could do the same thing.  

FYI, the 1662 saw was a totally different animal with a smaller motor and housing.  The Li Ion handle would not fit that one.




I'm happy that this will last the rest of this Ash sawing project (another Month or 6 weeks?).  After this, the mill will be near outlets so I'll have more choice as far as using a corded saw or maybe the battery powered chainsaw, which would probably be more useful.  

Also, I will not be buying anymore Bosch tools for this system.  If I need to buy, I'll start looking at Milwaukee's system.
Anything someone can design, I can sure figure out how to fix!
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Re: My circ saw at the mill is dead, What to replace with?
« Reply #34 on: May 26, 2020, 10:50:05 AM »
@Southside has an 80 volt Kobalt Chainsaw at the mill.  It's one of the handiest tools I've ever laid my hands on.  It's very efficient for all around use.  Great tool.  I would recommend it.

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« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2020, 02:23:37 PM »
I picked up a Kobalt drill/driver mainly because the batteries were cheaper. It is fair, looks like I'm losing the drill chuck, the impact is still thumping right along. A buddy went all in and got those, the 1/2" impact which is stronger than my electric, and the saw. Although the saw works, again it wasn't designed by someone who uses a saw, its a contortionist fit. To beat all my wife came up this morning with a Frisbee she bought for the dog and said "can you throw this?" I tried and sure enough, someone designed, produced and marketed a Frisbee that doesn't fly :D I mean really ::)
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Re: My circ saw at the mill is dead, What to replace with?
« Reply #36 on: May 26, 2020, 04:12:25 PM »
Brad_bb:
Very impressive solution. You spent a little time, no money, and you are back up running!
I always thought bosch was a top tier tool. Never had one though

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« Reply #37 on: May 27, 2020, 02:29:33 PM »
I have used the Milwaukee 2732-20 with a 18V 12.0AH Batt in 3 x 12 red oak , it was like cutting a lumberyard 2 x 4 

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« Reply #38 on: May 27, 2020, 07:26:13 PM »
Since I got my Dewalt 60v 7-1/4" circular saw last year I have yet to use my plug in circular saw again.  I also have the Dewalt 60v chainsaw which is great for limbing, log trimming, and cutting up slabs but the circular saw is safer and easier to cut boards with.
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« Reply #39 on: May 27, 2020, 09:18:17 PM »
Clearman or Hurdel. Just kidding.


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