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Re: 036 ate another wrist pin clip
« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2020, 06:20:28 AM »
OEM clips are better quality than AM, but not always a better fit in some aftermarket pistons. Sometimes they are too loose in the groove in which case you need to use the AM clips and hope they hold up.

Always a crap shoot with any of these AM kits, but getting 8 years out of a kit with 3 guys using it is probably as good as can be expected with this stuff.
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Re: 036 ate another wrist pin clip
« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2020, 11:08:43 AM »
Yeah, I can't complain about what the saw has done.  Just odd that it was always the same fatal event.

Still haven't had time to fool with it, but have all the parts now.

Was wondering about putting 272 Locktite on the clips??

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Re: 036 ate another wrist pin clip
« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2020, 11:40:12 AM »
It wouldn't hurt to try but I doubt if it would make any difference. I have only seen wrist pin clip failures a few times in a 40+ year career but have never used aftermarket pistons, doing it over costs too much time and money. @Greenerpastures we have nobody to blame but ourselves for the state of the market. Walmart, Harborfreight and Amazon thrive because the driving force is price.
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Re: 036 ate another wrist pin clip
« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2020, 01:13:29 PM »
I certainly won't sell it, and pass on problems to someone else.
Am not suggesting that at all, I meant you could advertise and sell your saw mentioning the issues, a buyer may be looking for a case, a cylinder, a crank, panels muffler air box parts etc, so the piston clip may be of no signivigence, lots of people buy parts saws.

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Re: 036 ate another wrist pin clip
« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2020, 06:22:09 AM »
It wouldn't hurt to try but I doubt if it would make any difference. I have only seen wrist pin clip failures a few times in a 40+ year career but have never used aftermarket pistons, doing it over costs too much time and money. @Greenerpastures we have nobody to blame but ourselves for the state of the market. Walmart, Harborfreight and Amazon thrive because the driving force is price.
It's the same mindset responsible for the Chinese invasion of cheap stuff. It's brought us to the precipice of having only cheap parts and cheap machinery/tools/engines for our choices in everything.  

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« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2020, 11:24:29 PM »
It's the same mindset responsible for the Chinese invasion of cheap stuff. It's brought us to the precipice of having only cheap parts and cheap machinery/tools/engines for our choices in everything.  


Yup, we keep buying the stuff and they keep sending it. Us consumerw are driven by the price tag no matter how small. Sure has me thinking about things.

My wife went shopping the other day and looking at some nice garlic she looked a little closer. The bloody stuff was from China. Good grief, we live right in the middle of heavy farming here and they ship it in from China? I have a few words about that but Jeff would have a few words about my words. 
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Re: 036 ate another wrist pin clip
« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2020, 10:05:32 AM »
It's the same mindset responsible for the Chinese invasion of cheap stuff. It's brought us to the precipice of having only cheap parts and cheap machinery/tools/engines for our choices in everything.  


Yup, we keep buying the stuff and they keep sending it. Us consumerw are driven by the price tag no matter how small. Sure has me thinking about things.

My wife went shopping the other day and looking at some nice garlic she looked a little closer. The bloody stuff was from China. Good grief, we live right in the middle of heavy farming here and they ship it in from China? I have a few words about that but Jeff would have a few words about my words.
In my life, I always thought it more plausible to save and buy better quality stuff. To buy instant and cheap seemed to me to just bring on more problems & issues. Yet here we are.......people buying P&C kits for $45 or less.

Yes....you can't say anything personally insulting or use swear words here....learned that lesson. Can't even use the term "cheapskate", as someone would take that personally.

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« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2020, 10:42:12 PM »
Yes....you can't say anything personally insulting or use swear words here....learned that lesson. Can't even use the term "cheapskate", as someone would take that personally.

My comment about words was meant in humour, not a jab at anything or anyone. 
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« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2020, 10:45:48 AM »
It wouldn't hurt to try but I doubt if it would make any difference. I have only seen wrist pin clip failures a few times in a 40+ year career but have never used aftermarket pistons, doing it over costs too much time and money. @Greenerpastures we have nobody to blame but ourselves for the state of the market. Walmart, Harborfreight and Amazon thrive because the driving force is price.
It's the same mindset responsible for the Chinese invasion of cheap stuff. It's brought us to the precipice of having only cheap parts and cheap machinery/tools/engines for our choices in everything.  

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I agree, getting mixed up with China was the wrong thing to do. But Stihl Husqvarna Makita and many others did, then the general public followed by dealing with them, online purchases taking more money out of the pockets of our neighbours, who lost their jobs because of the greed to put more profit in the hands of big business, even Boing got burned with the Chinese putting up their prices when their hands were tied as a result of their moving manufacturing to China.
I can only do my part, and have decided to try at all cost to buy nothing more that is made in China, I feel its not right to stand by and keep on giving for what in most cases amount to substandard products while we see good companies go under in our own towns, this is not political, itís common sense on every front, I see it as very unwise to count on China for any of my needs.

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Re: 036 ate another wrist pin clip
« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2020, 11:14:13 AM »
It wouldn't hurt to try but I doubt if it would make any difference. I have only seen wrist pin clip failures a few times in a 40+ year career but have never used aftermarket pistons, doing it over costs too much time and money. @Greenerpastures we have nobody to blame but ourselves for the state of the market. Walmart, Harborfreight and Amazon thrive because the driving force is price.
In all honesty, I let price influence my purchases too, but am awake now, and like the rest of the world will not alone loose any money I saved by buying Chinese products, but will be in great debt paying for the disaster that is Covid19. You can guess where I wonít be shopping anymore.

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Re: 036 ate another wrist pin clip
« Reply #30 on: June 28, 2020, 11:41:53 AM »
I donít mind spending my money for overseas stuff as long as itís not from CERTAIN states and places. After all, when they get their quality up, so goes the good prices.

Iím just trying to be self moderating.
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« Reply #31 on: June 28, 2020, 01:17:05 PM »
Yup, we keep buying the stuff and they keep sending it. Us consumerw are driven by the price tag no matter how small. Sure has me thinking about things.
 

The last thing I remember making a decision about was standing in walmart looking at wiper blades. A US made blade was $16, and the one from Vietnam(I think) was $5. I was thinking "C'mon guys, work with me here..." I'd have gone twice as much to buy US, but $32 for a replacement set vs $10? That's a tough pill to swallow, especially for something like a piece of rubber on a stick. I ended up getting the import. Didn't feel too good about it, but...

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Re: 036 ate another wrist pin clip
« Reply #32 on: June 28, 2020, 01:50:26 PM »
I had the same dilemma but went with the U.S. made. Got tired of having to change crappy blades when I needed them most.
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« Reply #33 on: June 29, 2020, 12:50:48 AM »
Yup, we keep buying the stuff and they keep sending it. Us consumerw are driven by the price tag no matter how small. Sure has me thinking about things.


The last thing I remember making a decision about was standing in walmart looking at wiper blades. A US made blade was $16, and the one from Vietnam(I think) was $5. I was thinking "C'mon guys, work with me here..." I'd have gone twice as much to buy US, but $32 for a replacement set vs $10? That's a tough pill to swallow, especially for something like a piece of rubber on a stick. I ended up getting the import. Didn't feel too good about it, but...
Think on the lifestyle of the people providing these $10 blades, pretty grim a lot of them. Compare that to the $32 lifestyle we are trying to maintain.
Corporations here are just as much to blame by chasing the cheap labour to out do the competition. The day will come when we will be too dependant on foreign products and their market control.
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Re: 036 ate another wrist pin clip
« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2020, 02:19:11 AM »
Lots of what I own is Chinese or nothing i.e. I can afford a $5k lathe but I can't afford a $20k Southbend or US/English machine imported to NZ. So I have a Chinese lathe or I have no lathe =/. Sucks and I don't like it, but it is what it is.

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« Reply #35 on: June 29, 2020, 02:41:54 AM »
Lots of what I own is Chinese or nothing i.e. I can afford a $5k lathe but I can't afford a $20k Southbend or US/English machine imported to NZ. So I have a Chinese lathe or I have no lathe =/. Sucks and I don't like it, but it is what it is.
For sure. We are all in the same boat with this Chinese situation. The part that gets me going is the tech theft and knocking off products that match brand name items. Best example here is the Chinese saws that can be "upgraded" with oem Husky and Stihl parts. If they want to design and market their own saws, they can go for it and see how it goes from there. If they are half the price of our brand names they'll probably sell. That's the thing, price tag rules.
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« Reply #36 on: June 29, 2020, 09:10:47 AM »
I agree, getting mixed up with China was the wrong thing to do. But Stihl Husqvarna Makita and many others did


I don't think what country things are made in has much to do with quality its more to do with the company making it, 30 years ago I would generally avoid buying things made in the USA because of poor quality, (tools, electronics, vehicles....) the best stuff was made in Japan or Germany. When my mother was young the post war stuff from Japan was very poor quality. There is some very good quality stuff as well as poor coming from China. It seems to play over and over with the latest cheap place to make stuff, they start off poor quality but after a while they figure out that it is worth their while to improve quality.

I've had no problems with my made in China Makita chainsaw, I wish I could say the same thing about my made in Germany Stihl.

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« Reply #37 on: June 30, 2020, 09:21:47 AM »
I agree, getting mixed up with China was the wrong thing to do. But Stihl Husqvarna Makita and many others did


I don't think what country things are made in has much to do with quality its more to do with the company making it, 30 years ago I would generally avoid buying things made in the USA because of poor quality, (tools, electronics, vehicles....) the best stuff was made in Japan or Germany. When my mother was young the post war stuff from Japan was very poor quality. There is some very good quality stuff as well as poor coming from China. It seems to play over and over with the latest cheap place to make stuff, they start off poor quality but after a while they figure out that it is worth their while to improve quality.

I've had no problems with my made in China Makita chainsaw, I wish I could say the same thing about my made in Germany Stihl.
It shifts like power & politics. Yes, post WWII Japanese stuff was junk. Then as you said, Japan & Germany became powerhouses in quality goods.

After bicycle companies like Raleigh quit making bikes in England, almost every bike frame in the world was made in Taiwan for a time. They were decent, but not especially 'hand crafted' like their predecessors. The sudden adult interest surge in bicycling created a demand that only mass produced bikes could fill.

And so it is with China who can make anything for a price point. They can also make quality products....but not at a price point. And then you have their human rights issues and politics. When you buy their products, you support that.

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« Reply #38 on: June 30, 2020, 09:23:30 AM »
Yes....you can't say anything personally insulting or use swear words here....learned that lesson. Can't even use the term "cheapskate", as someone would take that personally.

My comment about words was meant in humour, not a jab at anything or anyone.
So was mine, but it still brought a wrath of hurt feelings.


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Re: 036 ate another wrist pin clip
« Reply #39 on: June 30, 2020, 10:14:44 AM »
The last I did was an 036 cylinder on an 034 crankcase .I used  a Meteor piston and have had reports it's still doing well after maybe 10 years .
I have another in the shed I don't think anything is wrong with it I had landed from a dealers" dead pile " which is an 034 Super which in essence is an 036 .That model is pretty snappy for it's size .I'm not certain if it runs the small or large sized rim sprockets .Doesn't make a diff I have plenty some place in a box .  


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