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Re: F.F. pavilion build.
« Reply #120 on: June 28, 2020, 06:39:51 PM »
Any suggestions on how to work on a 8/12 roof? I've got scaffold to get the first few rows, after that, no clue. Its to steep to stay on. For me.
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Re: F.F. pavilion build.
« Reply #121 on: June 28, 2020, 07:06:18 PM »
Chicken ladder, the easiest way is to tie two ladders together and flop one on one side of the ridge and the other on the other side.

I've also just put a lag at each end of the ridge and drop ropes down to tie to a cross board that I stand on the edge of.

An 8/12 is right there, you can stick to it but you can't stop on it.
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Re: F.F. pavilion build.
« Reply #122 on: June 28, 2020, 07:13:40 PM »
Roof ladder.  I use them all the time.  I keep one radial arm saw set up with a dado blade, just for that purpose.  The "steps" are made for a specific roof slope, and about 30" apart.

The sides are made from a clear 5/4 decking board, ripped down the middle.  The steps fit in shallow dadoes, and are screwed through the outside.

I make the ridge hook sort of like a shepard's hook, out of plywood, so it can jump over any ridge when upside down, and turn it over to stay in place.

Wooden shingles won't stay in place on their own on a slope over 6-1/2 in 12.  The first old roof I worked on, I couldn't believe that they picked such an odd slope for it, but once we started installing the shingles, I saw exactly their reasoning.

I'll see if I can find a picture of one of my roof ladders.  You don't want it any heavier than it needs to be, and it's nice to have level "steps" to sit on.

I found a picture.  It's on top of that valley.  You can see the hooks on the top.  This is one I had made for another roof, but it worked close enough for this one.  This is why I charge double for working on roofs.  

I never leave the ground without a safety.  The trailer was parked there for a secure belay point.  The lower ladder was to install a screw eye under the soffit, to tie the next ladder to.  I would have to push on that second ladder to help get the roof ladder in place.  Rope over the ridge with a pulley is tied to a tractor on the other side of the house, and my safety line goes through that pulley.  I wouldn't even go up that first ladder without a safety.






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Re: F.F. pavilion build.
« Reply #123 on: June 28, 2020, 07:20:00 PM »
The other way is to cut triangles the slope of the roof, and fasten steel metal flashing strips to the bottom of the triangles.  Fasten them into rafters, and fasten a 2x8 on top of them to work off of.

Leave the metal strips long enough so you can lay shingles over them, and just cut off the protruding part after you finish.

I've done that many times too, but don't think I have a picture.

They sell metal brackets for that purpose, but I've never bought any, preferring to just make them like I want them.  

I screw the triangle, out of 2x material, that leaves the walkboard out away from the roof plane some, for comfortable working, to a 2x4 underneath.  The 2x4 is flat, and helps to stabilize the foot.

I cut a strip of galvanized flashing a couple of inches wide, and longer than you need it.  I put three 1-1/2" roofing tacks through the strip into the underside of the 2x4.  The strip continues up the roof for 18" or so, and is nailed into a rafter with three more of the long tacks.  That allows the bracket to be pretty loose, but once you get the 2x8 screwed to the triangle, the whole assembly is plenty sturdy.

When it comes time to cut the metal, I ruin a new utility knife blade by cutting the flashing right underneath a shingle.

If this is going to be a wooden shingle roof, I use copper strips, since the wooden shingles will last a lot longer than asphalt shingles, and the steel edge may rust, and leave streaks.  I used galvanized strips when I was putting on an asphalt roof.

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Re: F.F. pavilion build.
« Reply #124 on: June 28, 2020, 08:37:31 PM »
Yeah, that is more sophisticated ladder works than I would want to do, even when I was in the fire department. :) But Tom, I have to ask, what is the deal with that chimney on the left in your reply#122? I know there is something here I am not understanding. Please learn me up. I have never seen a chimney that ends before it clears the roof. Is it even a chimney? I am perplexed.
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Re: F.F. pavilion build.
« Reply #125 on: June 28, 2020, 09:44:52 PM »
Got all the ice and water shield down and started shingling. The shingles are very irregular and unsquare, so I built story poles and screwed them to the edge of the sheeting to run a line every level. The screws on the story poles also set my 3/4" edge over hang



 

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« Reply #126 on: June 28, 2020, 09:49:51 PM »
Hurricane Hazel took off the tops of two of those chimneys.  The house was built in 1828.  That chimney was missing the top down to the middle of the second story windows.  The house had not been lived in since Hurricane Hazel, because one chimney knocked a hole in the roof, and there was no one around that would go up there to fix it.

The soffits are 27' off the ground.  The complete chimneys are 43 feet tall.

I had not put that metal shingle roof on, but needed to fix a leaking valley.

I rebuilt the one to the left, all the way to the top, from the same height-mid second story windows.

I ran that one up past the shoulders, as you see it there, and the owners needed to find some more bricks, and some more money.  If you look closely, you can see that the joints have not been pointed with Lime Mortar yet, on the rebuilt part.

Fortunately, we had the one complete chimney, to the right, to know how to rebuild the broken ones.  That one was leaning out 4" at the shoulder, and had dropped a couple of inches.  We jacked, and pushed it back in place, and poured a massive footing under it.

All that chimney work is outlined on my website.

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Re: F.F. pavilion build.
« Reply #127 on: June 28, 2020, 09:51:16 PM »
Jeff, I like that method of pulling lines.  Looks like actually less trouble than snapping chaulk lines.

If you didn't follow my description of homemade roof jacks, I can make one tomorrow, to show a picture of.

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Re: F.F. pavilion build.
« Reply #128 on: June 30, 2020, 08:09:16 PM »
Yesterday at 3:30, having nailed on 11 rows, the writing was on the wall I was going to be way short on shinlgles. Tammy and I threw the dogs and a change of clothes and some eats in a cooler, and were U.P. bound by 3:55. Vic went down and scrounged every shingle he had and loaded them in his gator and had then in the driveway when we pulled in 164 miles later at 7:45. We pulled back in the driveway at home at 9:50. 328 miles for 7 bundles of shingles. I think that will be just enough to peek it out.

Today I got to the top, and  now  getting things going on the west side
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« Reply #129 on: June 30, 2020, 08:10:14 PM »
Yes, all of that in the cooler. I aint fixin it. :D
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Re: F.F. pavilion build.
« Reply #130 on: June 30, 2020, 08:45:59 PM »
You da Man Jeff!!  8)
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« Reply #131 on: June 30, 2020, 08:57:26 PM »
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« Reply #132 on: June 30, 2020, 09:17:37 PM »
Dude! I coulda put you to work last fall, looking good  :)
I see the temp braces are off, how does it feel up top?
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« Reply #133 on: June 30, 2020, 09:50:11 PM »
You could make it move if you try, but I don't notice anything while working on it up there.
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« Reply #134 on: June 30, 2020, 10:02:02 PM »
That's understandable, you don't weigh much more than a DanG bird.  :D
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« Reply #135 on: June 30, 2020, 10:30:58 PM »
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« Reply #136 on: July 01, 2020, 06:46:14 AM »
It's looking great! I can't wait to see it next year.

What did you use for scaffolding to nail down the shingles?

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« Reply #137 on: July 01, 2020, 06:50:35 AM »
DanG that looks good!! Mighty good!!
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« Reply #138 on: July 01, 2020, 07:00:19 AM »
I worked up from the bottom as far as I could reach, then worked down over the top from the other side using a ladder with ridge hooks. Id put shingles in the rungs of the ladder to hold them up there. It was tedious and my ribs are sore from hanging over the ridge, and my forearms at the elbows are raw. I cut the sleeves out of an old sweat shirt and then pulled them on my arms backwards past the elbows to add some padding. They are pretty sore. Tammy bandaged me up this morning so I can get back after it today.
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« Reply #139 on: July 01, 2020, 07:32:56 AM »
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