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« on: July 12, 2020, 01:49:01 PM »
I talked to a breeder thatís fairly close to me about a possibility of buying a puppy from her, as she had one of the two breeds I was looking for.  She gave me the price, and then said that she would still retain all breeding rights.  Meaning I couldnít raise a litter of pups or use a male as stud an get them registered with akc.  Is this a standard practice? Tim
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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2020, 02:14:15 PM »
We don't give full registration (what you need to sell registered puppies), unless it's to a breeder friend we already know.  Just too much time involved in mentoring new breeders.  No way possible will our kennel name will ever show up in any puppy mill, or backyard breeder pedigree.

With this pandemic, everyone thinks this is a good time to get a puppy.  My Wife gets a minimum of three inquiries, every day, for the 25, or so, puppies we raise each year.  That's well over 1,000 inquiries a year, which has been, normally, about how long our waiting list is.  I have no idea what the timeline is now.

We don't sell a puppy, and keep breeding rights, but we do often trade breedings with stud dogs.

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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2020, 02:16:21 PM »
Yes Tim I have heard of this before.
I'm not sure if it's standard but know some folks have had to sign papers like that.
I have had dogs all my life and only have had one full blooded dog.
An Irishsetter when I was around 10 years old and she was given to me by the breeder as she was the runt.
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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2020, 02:17:57 PM »
I guess there are about as many ways of doing it as there are breeders.

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« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2020, 02:20:32 PM »
Keep it simple, adopt.
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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2020, 02:35:27 PM »
I agree with Raider Bill.  Find a dog to rescue.  Also, I'm a firm believer that a mix breed is an all around better dog.  Less joint/skin/temperament issues.  Toss in a little cattle dog or poodle and you get some good brains, too :)
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2020, 02:44:29 PM »
   My wife used to breed and sell German Shepherd puppies and worked closely with local police departments, many who bought and trained her puppies. I had never heard of anyone reserving breeding rights. I would never buy a puppy with such restrictions but that is just me.

    That reminds me many years ago my mom had a miniature dachshund named Snoopy who was Mom's ever present sidekick but Mom went to an Eastern Star convention and left Snoopy at home with Dad for several days. The neighbor kids came over with their female dachshund who was in heat and wanted to breed to Snoopy so Dad agreed with the promise of a puppy for stud fee which they agreed to. Mom was very irate when she got home and found what Dad and Snoopy had done (I think she eventually forgave Snoopy BTW). About 2 months later the kids came over and Mom answered the door and they told her they wanted to talk to Dad so she summoned him. The kids told him "Our dog had a puppy. Its a real pretty puppy but there is only one. You can come get him when you want to." They were obviously very dejected. Dad looked at them then said "No, since there is only one you keep him." The kids left very happy and excited with their good news. Then when Mom learned what Dad had done she set in on him again as she had already made plans for the puppy. Dad said there was no way he could take those kids only puppy. He did always think it was funny the kids insisted on talking to him instead of them just telling Mom. I am pretty sure they figured/hoped he would be more soft-hearted than she would be.
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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2020, 03:02:50 PM »
Sounds like your Dad had either a big heart, or liked to get into trouble- or a combination of the two. That's how I see myself, too. My kind of guy!😁
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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2020, 03:50:06 PM »
I have rescued several dogs in the past.  Got one from the West Memphis Ark pound.  Took one home that hung around our job site and wouldnít leave.  I recon my last was a rescue too, just a stray that came up here and took over our hearts, then moved inside. Tim
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2020, 04:32:10 PM »
There are rescues for almost every kind of dog you can think of.
Lady that runs my office is involved in rat terrier rescues. They "ship" their rescues across the country after a through vetting with a year or two probation so that if things don't work no out they can get the dog back.

Only pure breed I ever had was a Yorkie. Ex had to have a Yorkie. Paid big bucks for the runt. Turned out he had come from a mill and had just about everything a dog could have wrong with him. Huge vet bills over the 11 years. Great little guy, felt bad for all the problems and pain he went through.

Seems though when we bought him we had to have him fixed before we got the papers as they did not want us to breed.
We did get him fixed but never wanted to breed so we never picked up the papers.

We took him to his "parents " house a couple years later to find that the family setting we thought we had bought from was a mill with at least 20 mom's in cages and a male that was spitting image of little Rudy dog.
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« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2020, 04:49:08 PM »
There are a couple ways to look at it. If there are breeding restrictions itís a benefit. Letís say you buy a German Shepherd puppy. Letís say for 2k that comes from a long history of titled dogs in Shutzhund as well as the parents. If someone buys a puppy with no restrictions there intent will probably be to make 💰 off of history. When in reality the dog should be titled at various levels and checked over by a vet for everything to be sound before breeding to be legitimate to demand the 💰

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« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2020, 05:15:03 PM »
Our German Shepherd is a expensive race horse running buck wild. In reality he has everything it takes to be a champion but Iím not racing him. The breeder would love to get his hands on him because not every dog has what it takes. In his eyes itís like I bought a expensive race horse that has all the makings of a champion and Iím putting him out to pasture. If I want to breed him without being titled in Schutzund. Then it would be at the discretion of the breeder pertaining he is physically in sound condition with the vet.

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« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2020, 05:30:05 PM »
Raider,

 The lady in your office sounds like a woman after my own heart. I love Rat Terriers and Sampson is my all around knock-about companion. His favorite thing to do is ride in the boat and bark at a catfish. He used to like to ride on my 4 wheeler but that is another story right now...


 He has done real well training my wife to spoil him. She used to just like German Shepherds.

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 My wife used to do Shtzhund training. At her first trial her first shepherd caught the judge looking away on the long down test and would crawl forward. The judge had Becky facing away so she could not give her dog any covert signals. Becky could not understand why we were laughing in the viewing stand. Treble, her dog, would catch the judge looking away then belly crawl forward a couple feet then when the judge would look back she would look all innocent like a kid with his hand in the candy jar. She did not get certified on that trial but the judge "pronounced" her as Shtzhund quality so she could have bred her after that and registered the pups as Shtzhund. On the next trial a few months later she won top honors at the event and got her degree. The guy she had bought her from sent her a dozen roses to congratulate her - Treble getting her certification made the sire and dam more valuable to him so they all benefited.
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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2020, 08:57:13 PM »
Cute little guy you got there. Thatís a awesome little story you had there👍. Iím pretty fond of all dogs. Mans best friend 😊

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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2020, 09:14:37 PM »
Walnut,

   Terriers have a reputation for fierce fighters who will attack creatures way outside their weight class. Sampson did not inherit those genes and is scared of almost everything out there. ::) He is vicious barking at a catfish in the boat till it slaps him in the face then Sampson becomes an immediate bow ornament as far forward on the boat as he can get. :D He has helped me trail up bow shot deer and such.

    While vacationing in South Africa our guide told us Jack Russel Terriers were one of the most popular breeds in southern Africa because they are very good at finding and killing snakes and they have some very nasty snakes there. He also told us many professional hunters will keep a pack of them as leopard dogs to track down and hold wounded leopards at bay if their client does not make a clean kill. The PH's with a pack of hounds will find and bay the leopard but very often they lose a hound or two to the leopard while the yippy little JRTs are quick enough to avoid the leopard's claws till the PH can come finish him off.
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« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2020, 10:40:39 PM »
Interesting about your cute little guy. Your exactly right about them tracking in Africa. Iíve had people tell me if you draw blood on a animal there they will find it most of the time

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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2020, 06:32:43 AM »
Well, in sort of a topical post, im sitting here with this guy. We have a 7am dropoff appointment at the vet for him to say goodbye to two  of his closest friends. He was a year old yesterday.

 
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« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2020, 07:10:55 AM »
I personally think it's BS that full registration doesn't come with any dog one buys that's a purebred. They sold it. End of story.
My second oldest son's wife bought a purebred doby for my son (his died of cancer). Paid 2k. Had to sign an agreement that they had to attend at least 5 shows a year and they couldn't sell him. If for whatever reason they couldn't keep him or didn't want him, she got him back for free. My boy is still married, but that kind of agreement is almost worth a divorce.
As far as rescue dogs go. I'll only get a pup and usually those cannot be found on a breed one wants. 
Friend of ours spent 8k on their dog a while back. Just a nice dog, not a stud champion. Not in this house. I like dogs, but they are dogs. They ain't my kid no matter how much thick think they are.

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« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2020, 08:39:29 AM »
Sometime it's a status symbol.  What they paid is more important than what they got.
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« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2020, 08:58:50 AM »
Sometime it's a status symbol.  What they paid is more important than what they got.


I agree with that. Neighbor paid $5K for a Frenchie. Brags more about what he paid than about the dog which escapes twice a week and comes over to my house. Guess She like my food better.
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« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2020, 10:48:20 AM »
Also, I'm a firm believer that a mix breed is an all around better dog.  Less joint/skin/temperament issues. 


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« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2020, 10:59:01 AM »
Dogs know dog people, and gravitate to them.  Neighbor had a couple of dogs that at first would not come to me, over a couple of weeks they would come out and greet me on my walks.  Neighbor in the yard one day told me they don't like people, as both of them getting their ears scratched.
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« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2020, 11:42:42 AM »
I talked to a breeder thatís fairly close to me about a possibility of buying a puppy from her, as she had one of the two breeds I was looking for.  She gave me the price, and then said that she would still retain all breeding rights.  Meaning I couldnít raise a litter of pups or use a male as stud an get them registered with akc.  Is this a standard practice? Tim
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« Reply #23 on: July 13, 2020, 12:56:27 PM »
We wanted an american shepard to play fetch and related with the kids. Plus they look cool. Had a blue meral female stolen. Found a toy, which we didn't really want, but wife liked as it could be a house dog. Great dog (for some reason has attached herself to me), doesn't play fetch...... ???
Once I get me entance gate doen and the rest of the fencing, will get an outside dog that can be in the yard. That dog will be the type that plays fetch and hoepfully can catch a frisby and like the water. Also thinkin of a new newfoundland for the water aspect. 

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« Reply #24 on: July 13, 2020, 02:19:33 PM »
Also, I'm a firm believer that a mix breed is an all around better dog.  Less joint/skin/temperament issues.


X2 for me also. smiley_thumbsup
Iíll disagree with that! Most problems in dogs are created by people breeding them foolishly! As for temperament. If mixed breeds have such a superior temperament why wouldnít the military just go to the pound and just randomly pick out some mixed breeds for various service work. I love all dogs mixed or specific. I think adopting and getting rescue dogs are fantastic👍👍👍. 

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« Reply #25 on: July 13, 2020, 02:52:01 PM »
We have 2 dogs that we rescued. Bocephus is an American Stratfordshire Terrier that we adopted from the pound when he was 9 weeks old and Bay is a Mountain Cur that was the runt of the litter. Canít see buying a dog when there so many in need of homes.

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Also, I'm a firm believer that a mix breed is an all around better dog.  Less joint/skin/temperament issues.


X2 for me also. smiley_thumbsup
Iíll disagree with that! Most problems in dogs are created by people breeding them foolishly! As for temperament. If mixed breeds have such a superior temperament why wouldnít the military just go to the pound and just randomly pick out some mixed breeds for various service work. I love all dogs mixed or specific. I think adopting and getting rescue dogs are fantastic👍👍👍.
What you just said supports my statement.  For a specific purpose, a pure bred is the ticket (guard dog, hunting dog, etc).  The problem is some breeders, and possibly a reduced gene pool in a local area, has brought out defects both physical and mental in some breeds.  Unless you really need a purebred, don't bother with them.  I see too many that have "the breed" for a status symbol, not for companionship.  For an all around (i.e. family) dog, you can't beat a mixed breed.  You just need to research what mixes have the qualities that you are looking for in your situation.  Like, don't get a cattle dog mix when living in a small apartment in the city.
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Well, in sort of a topical post, im sitting here with this guy. We have a 7am dropoff appointment at the vet for him to say goodbye to two  of his closest friends. He was a year old yesterday.
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« Reply #28 on: July 13, 2020, 07:59:07 PM »
Our last dog, who we miss dearly, came from the wife's uncles farm. The mother was a stray that showed up and stayed and the father must have been a traveler because no one knew who the mother got bred with. Our dog Ginger who traveled to 43 states with us and never made a mess in the truck looked like a cross between a yellow lab and a ridgeback, I told people she was obviously an Egyptian because she built little pyramids in the field. Purebred American mutt! 
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« Reply #29 on: July 13, 2020, 08:02:24 PM »
cross between a yellow lab and a ridgeback


That sounds like a good combo.  I've known a lot of yellow labs and a few ridgebacks.  They were all good dogs.
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« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2020, 07:54:04 AM »
Well, in sort of a topical post, im sitting here with this guy. We have a 7am dropoff appointment at the vet for him to say goodbye to two  of his closest friends. He was a year old yesterday.


I see I have created some confusion as to an email I got this morning causing me to come back and read any posts I had made lately.

Sawyer was neutered yesterday. Not euthanized. Although in human circles, that is sort of the same thing. :)

Sawyer is fine, doing well, and having a hard time paying attention to vets orders of "no fun stuff" for two weeks.
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« Reply #32 on: July 19, 2020, 06:34:38 PM »
Glad you cleared that up Jeff.  I thought he was saying goodbye to you and wildflower.  I am in the running to get a terrier mix.  They have contacted one of our vets, and they will probably call the other tomorrow.  I am keeping my hopes up, just donít want to get them too high.  I told one of my vets that I think I could get on with the FBI with less investigation.  Thatís a good thing though I recon.  They make sure the pups go to a good home.  Tim
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« Reply #33 on: July 19, 2020, 07:15:27 PM »
Also, I'm a firm believer that a mix breed is an all around better dog.  Less joint/skin/temperament issues.


X2 for me also. smiley_thumbsup
Iíll disagree with that! Most problems in dogs are created by people breeding them foolishly! As for temperament. If mixed breeds have such a superior temperament why wouldnít the military just go to the pound and just randomly pick out some mixed breeds for various service work. I love all dogs mixed or specific. I think adopting and getting rescue dogs are fantastic👍👍👍.
Pretty simple why the military doesn't.  Mixed dogs are all different.  The military is about having a repeatable process.  They looked at lots and lots of breeds and kept really good stats on what species for what purposes.  So, they have pretty much locked into a specific breed or two and that's what they use.  They have manuals and manuals and vet trainings, etc etc etc all on just a couple of very specific breeds.  So imagine what they would need to do if all there dogs were different.  In my experience the military is a terrible organization for the average joe to pay attention to, they have odd needs and often have congressional pressure they forces terrible buying decisions.  
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« Reply #34 on: July 19, 2020, 09:25:25 PM »
Deb & I went to look at a terrier mix Saturday.  It was at a humane society.  Part AirDale & something else suppose to be about 26 lbs. at maturity.  I made the call to just be there with my mask on at 10:00 when they opened.  Drove 100 miles... got there a little after 10:00 (road work) delayed a few minutes.  They said you are supposed to have an appointment.  First available one was 1:00.  They said there were 6 people ahead of me for that dog.  Then the guy said the air dale was crossed with Irish Wolf hound.  I said forget it.  If the site had had the correct info I would not have bothered.  This is part of the reason folks just buy a registered animal.  If the adoption we are working on donít work out that is what I will probably do.  Another thing:  some of the so called rescues seem to be in it for the money.   They have connections at the humane societyís and the desirable animals are picked up by them, before the general public has a chance to adopt.  Then they charge about 3 times what they gave for it.  I guess this was a rant.  I am getting to be an ole codger I guess.  Just say what I think.  Tim
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« Reply #35 on: July 19, 2020, 09:46:13 PM »
I would be hot to . Drove 100 miles and found out 6 people ahead of you 

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« Reply #36 on: July 19, 2020, 09:48:14 PM »
Hopefully you can give a home to some lucky little one

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« Reply #37 on: July 19, 2020, 10:09:16 PM »
Here is the little guy we are wanting.

He is a loooong way away.Tim
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Well he's cute! 

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« Reply #39 on: July 19, 2020, 11:53:09 PM »
Hopefully you can get him 👍

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« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2020, 11:32:36 PM »
Well the folks from pooch savers in Dallas never got back to me after we jumped through all their hoops.  But I found these two ... a brother and sister a lot closer from another rescue. We got them today.  They have been running and playing in the back yard..... rolling in the grass. It made me happy to see them.  They are two years old.  I just put them in their crate that we had for the big bull dog, and they havenít made a peep.  Their original owner turned them in and another lady tried them, but they were too much for her.  They will be a handful, but I think I am up to it.  

 
  Thatís Samantha on top & Sammy below.    Wire haired terrier and who knows what.  They are about 25 lbs each.   Thatís a picture from the rescue place, I couldnít get them still enough to get one in my yard. Tim
  
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« Reply #41 on: July 28, 2020, 04:05:42 AM »
Thatís great Tim. I bet Everyone is happy👍

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« Reply #42 on: July 28, 2020, 07:36:46 AM »
Well, there will be no german shepherd offspring generated here. Sawyer got his stitches out yesterday.

Here is a picture if his balls.


 
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« Reply #44 on: July 28, 2020, 03:27:43 PM »
They went for their first ride in the Kutota rev this morning and done pretty good .... no trying to jump out.  My vet is supposed to come and pick up a bundle of lumber this afternoon,and I am gonna get his analysis on them.  They been microchipped.  I donít know if itís worth the money to register it or not.  Donít really cost much. About $50.00 bucks for both.  If he recommends it...Iíll do it.  They need a hair cut.  Tim
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« Reply #45 on: July 28, 2020, 04:01:29 PM »
Those dogs are Very lucky to have found you!!!

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« Reply #46 on: July 28, 2020, 08:27:34 PM »
   My wife and I were sitting here this afternoon and noticed Sampson, my world famous 'fraidy cat rat terrier, sleeping on the rug in front of the TV. Suddenly he started making little "woof, woof, woof" sounds and his feet were twitching like he was running in his sleep. Suddenly he yelped and woke up and jumped up and looked around. I guess he was having a nightmare or such. Probably a raccoon had chased him into his little dog house in his sleep. :D
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« Reply #47 on: July 30, 2020, 04:18:20 PM »
The best dogs we have had were dumped out near here.  Seems like a dog that gets rescued from bad circumstances appreciates you giving him a home and taking care of him or her.  I would still like to find a cow dog that would help me with cows.  The current cow dog is afraid of cows.  But she kills rats, tears down my firewood stacks to get rats.

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« Reply #48 on: July 30, 2020, 04:31:10 PM »
There are quite a few Australian Shepardís in the rescues around here that are needing a home.  I found these through the adopt a pet site.  I am really enjoying them.  They immediately figured out the doggie door. ( really about 30 minutes).  Doc came by and picked up his lumber, met them, got their records and called his groomer and got them set up for a haircut.  Their appointment is Aug 18th.  Any pet groomers out there you might want to move south.  They will be a lot cooler and look a lot different after that.  Tim
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« Reply #49 on: July 30, 2020, 04:52:33 PM »
I picked up a border collie/lab mix 10 years ago from a farmer friend . This is the best dog I have ever owned. I never really had to spend any time training him, he just know what is the proper way to be. I talk to him and he just knows. He knows all the kids in the neighbourhood, He thinks kids are made for him to play catch with the ball. 
I called the famer 5 years later to get in line for another pup, but the female had passed away. 
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