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Is this elderberry?
« on: July 13, 2020, 04:27:08 PM »
There are pics here of two different bush/trees. Are either one elderberry?

 

 

 

 

 
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Re: Is this elderberry?
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2020, 06:03:01 PM »
I think elderberry has a flatter flower form.

Some of these are ( I think ? ) elderberry and some rasberry and blackberry.

 
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Re: Is this elderberry?
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2020, 07:39:13 PM »
   Looks almost like Tree of Heaven - Allanthus. How big is the trunk?
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Re: Is this elderberry?
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2020, 07:55:37 PM »
Looks almost like Tree of Heaven


That's what I'm seeing.  If so, it's going to be a good seed year, which is not a good thing.  If it is TOH, cut them down before the seed pods mature and spread misery.  Better to burn them, or put them in the trash.  Don't want that kind of propagation from a TOH.  Highly invasive species.

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Re: Is this elderberry?
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2020, 08:08:38 PM »
This red elderberry does have a similar clumpy/cone shape flower form.
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So I don't know what is in my picture which is why I've never eaten it !!
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Re: Is this elderberry?
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2020, 08:45:12 PM »
It is sumac.  Genus Rhus.

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Could be shining sumac or smooth sumac.  There is a staghorn sumac and a poison sumac.
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Re: Is this elderberry?
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2020, 08:08:45 AM »
There's a drink I remember from, awhile ago  :D Just googled rhusaide and up it popped, if its staghorn its very distinctive when ripe;
https://healthstartsinthekitchen.com/sumac-ade-a-natural-alternative-to-kool-aid/

Neat, it is also an antimicrobial veggie wash, cool.
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Re: Is this elderberry?
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2020, 11:22:01 AM »





Pretty confident i have fruiting staghorns right now but id like some confirmation before i overdose on poison sumac lemonade.  Im quite allergic to urushiol.
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Re: Is this elderberry?
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2020, 08:26:54 PM »
Yes Sir.  I am in your camp.  Leaflets look toothed.  That is good.  Poison sumac leaflets are entire (not toothed). 
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Re: Is this elderberry?
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2020, 08:45:01 PM »
Yup, that's it.
Read that link above carefully, you might not be out of the woods with it.
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Re: Is this elderberry?
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2020, 11:19:08 PM »
You mean the link about using it on my hemorrhoid?  Better make darn sure its the right sumac for that!


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Re: Is this elderberry?
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2020, 07:12:54 AM »
Just leave it alone and let the birds and foxes have it. 
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Re: Is this elderberry?
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2020, 07:32:49 AM »
Mike that's sumac and you should be fine making a tea but as with anything go slow.  Poison sumac is actually pretty darn rare and a wetland species.  When I was doing dendrology tests for entry foresters I used to have to really search for the stuff in the Piedmont of NC.  

Even then as WDH says the Poison Sumac leaf is smooth like the evil cousins.  Another pretty unusual one is poison oak, which very few people have seen and recognized- they will just assume it is an oak seedling and then point to a poison ivy on the ground and say that is poison oak.  

Poison Sumacs fruit don't stand up like that, they fall over if they were that large, more like a cluster of grapes.  Oh, and stems are bright red...like almost blood red.  

I've just driven over a cluster of elderberry, should have taken a picture.  
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Re: Is this elderberry?
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2020, 09:48:40 AM »
Thx wyatt.  Is there a 5 leaf poison oak or just 3 leaf? Is all the 5 leaf stuff virginia creeper?  The internets is fulla confliction about that.
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« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2020, 10:13:38 AM »
I have seen 5 leaf poison ivy for sure.  It's usually on the ground though - don't really see the 5 leaf climbing, although I'm sure it csan.  We have plenty of PI and Va Creeper around here.  They get to be easy to tell apart when you see both all the time.  Va Creeper has a red vine with no hair, for one thing.  PI has a hairy vine - although growing on the ground it doesn't show that.  PI leaves and Va Creeper leaves are significantly different, but like a lot things, familiarity and the opportunity to see them both make a difference as far as ID goes.

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Re: Is this elderberry?
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2020, 11:16:34 AM »
Mike- only 3 leaves.  5 leaves is virginia creeper.  

Here is a map to show you what's growing in your area.  

https://www.poison-ivy.org/poison-ivy-overview
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« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2020, 11:21:44 AM »
Ive got them all and my eyes are sharp for it these days.  Too many rounds of steroids.

Man theres some gory stuff on that site!
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« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2020, 11:41:21 AM »
I am unfamiliar with 5 leaf PI.  
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« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2020, 09:09:10 PM »
I have never seen 5 leaflet poison ivy.  Only 3. 
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« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2020, 09:13:32 PM »
Ill see if I can find some 5 leaf and put up a picture. 
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