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Re: MS 441 Sthil
« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2020, 03:35:43 PM »
OGH,

  One of the things we used to have available to us when I was in the USMC was an auto hobby shop. It was typically run by an old experienced mechanic and had just about ever tool you could need to work on a vehicle. I'd take mine in and say "Its making this noise, or leaking here, or such. Is that something I can fix?" He'd look at it and point out some part and say "That piece needs to be replaced. Get the part and an extra gasket or such and bring it back and I'll help if you have any problems." I'd go get the parts he recommended, check out a bay and a tool set and take off the old part and put the new one on. About half the time I could do it alone but if I hit a snag I'd go get the shop manager and he'd get me some special tool or show me some trick he knew to fix it. I never got into any real big repair jobs but replacing a water pump or brake piston or such was do-able.

  I got out my old rebuilt MS 440 today and dumped what little gas was left from last year when it was rebuilt and after about 30 or so hard pulls it finally popped, sputtered and died a few times then I finally got it running so I guess I will be able to use it as a back up till I get a second opinion on the 441 and possibly find a better repair source.
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Re: MS 441 Sthil
« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2020, 04:04:19 PM »
Just out of curiosity, what do you suppose changes on the 30th pull that the previous 29 tries didn't have? I'd think that if it didn't start after 10 tries, it never would.

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Re: MS 441 Sthil
« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2020, 04:06:06 PM »
   I sure wish I knew and I'd change it on the second pull.  :D

   Maybe others here can shed some light on the suspected causes.
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« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2020, 04:22:47 PM »
I like that  statement you made about changing your ways and using the smaller 1 gal sprayer more. I quit using my 15 gal atv sprayer that way, now it only usually  rides in the loader bucket of the tractor.

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« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2020, 05:25:29 PM »
   Actually that would be much more efficient at spot application than area wide coverage too. That is still a likely option at least for this season.
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« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2020, 12:40:40 PM »
Not about the saw, but the sprayer.

I've had a Fimco sprayer for more years than I remember, mounted on a rotary cutter.  

Long story short, Chapin just came out with one that has the large tank to just hold water, and separate, smaller concentrate tanks.

My trouble with the Fimco was not that it didn't work fine, but it was always guesswork to figure out how much to mix in the 40 gallon tank.

The new Chapin allows me to swap out the concentrate tanks, and go do a small amount of spot spraying.

I haven't had the chance to swap out the rig, but the new system came.  You can buy the concentrate tanks separately, and have several ready to go.  I'm keeping one with detergent, to wash out the guts before switching from herbicide, to insecticide, etc.  They make smaller ones than this one.

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Tom Thanks for posting about this sprayer. I do a ton of spot spraying and some days change chemical three of four times a day. I will look into one of these the next time my old Fimco needs a pump. 

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Re: MS 441 Sthil
« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2020, 12:56:08 PM »
I expected there would be others with the same issues, and would appreciate the benefits.  I spray a few different chemicals too.

For pump sprayers, these 2 and 3 gallon cheap ones, from Tractor Supply, are pretty good.  I especially like the pressure relief valve.  I have a utility sink in this shed just for taking care of the mixers.  I buy them when they are on sale for about 30 bucks for a box with two in it.  I keep one of those with detergent in it too, and swap out the wand after washing it, after use.  

They do develop some problems, and no replacement parts available, but I just keep a couple of extra ones to pull parts off of.  Haven't had much trouble, but in the three years that I've been using them, one pressure relief valve, and one trigger assembly went bad.


 

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Re: MS 441 Sthil
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2020, 02:56:01 PM »
Dang! Tom collects sprayers like the MagicMan collects LogRites!
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« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2020, 04:59:14 PM »
The guy who said the compression should be 90 psi is getting mixed up with something. Should be more like 140 to 160. They run OK at 120 usually.  Likely he has a gauge that just won't read low displacement equipment, so he may be factoring that in to his analysis.

I think those saws are borderline too lean off the shelf.  And, something does not need to change much and you have  aluminum melted in to your rings.

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« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2020, 06:05:27 PM »
Zero,

   That is mostly Greek to me but it sounds like the tech did not check something correctly or with the right gauge. I have not been over to pick it up yet and take it to the next repair shop for a second opinion. Any thoughts on likely problems and  whether it is likely worth fixing or not?
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« Reply #30 on: July 30, 2020, 08:44:58 PM »
It's definitely worth fixing if it is not broke broke, like run over or dropped out of a tree broke.

If it indeed has lost compression you are at a big disadvantage if you don't do this yourself, which is why so many of us have gotten in to it to start with.

Somebody will give you good money for that saw on eBay because they can fix it for $40.

So, I think I would eBay the saw and buy a new one before I would pay a dealer $300 or $400 hundred bucks.

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« Reply #31 on: July 31, 2020, 12:39:36 PM »
An engine of any kind does not just lose compression like you lost your car keys .There is a reason for it .Find that you got it licked .Could be a completely blown out crankshaft seal .I've seen that too .
Fact one of my 038 mags blew a seal out twice .The third time I red lock-tited it .It will take heat if I ever need to do it again to remove it .

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« Reply #32 on: August 02, 2020, 09:35:52 PM »
Iíll give you $100 for it towards your new saw purchase?

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« Reply #33 on: August 02, 2020, 10:31:16 PM »

   Its worth more than that to me for parts.
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« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2020, 09:03:38 PM »
   Well, this may be another mistake I have made but I had the new Stihl dealer rebuild this saw for me. $632!!! $350 for parts and $237 for labor.  $10 Misc (I assume shop rags and WD40, etc) and $35 tax. I was expecting around $500 based on their discussion. Their mechanic quit the day I turned in my saw so I don't know if the new one was just slow or it that is reasonable, well, normal on labor. The cylinder & piston was over $310 and was biggest parts cost.

   I tested it in the shop and it did crank readily and sounds good. We will see how it holds up. 
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« Reply #35 on: September 10, 2020, 09:21:05 PM »
Man, that sucks. Lets see how it holds up with some run time. For that cost, it should run, cut, and stack it in the truck.
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« Reply #36 on: September 12, 2020, 01:06:01 AM »
I agree, that does suck, especially when I realized that's in US dollars. I just replaced my 441 piston with OEM parts and it was over $200 CDN. I've seen the prices in the US and a good Meteor replacement could have been way cheaper. It's pretty easy work, especially with YouTube and Forestry Forum. Good luck with the saw, I'm sure it will last long now!


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