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What About Marine Outboard Two Stroke Oil In Saws?? :)
« on: August 23, 2020, 05:19:51 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2020, 08:24:40 PM »
Yeah, I read a whole white paper on the difference between marine 2cycle oil mix versus 2cycle oil mix for like chainsaws. The oil designs are profoundly different because of the RPM and the environments they're used in....enough so that you don't want to use marine designed 2cycle oil mix for chainsaws......It's more than just the ratio.

But back in the day when I was using Power Punch in my Huskies for loggin', I also used it for my Johnson outboard as recommended by Power Punch. Power Punch is/was a quasi synthetic oil mix.

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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2020, 10:09:13 PM »
Years ago it worked as did SAE 30wt oil .Of course the old saws as were the outboards mixed 16 to 1.Maybe my memory is fuzzy but I don't remember fouling the spark plugs .If the high speed on the out boards was set rich for speed runs and you trolled with it it would foul though .Simple enough,pull the lines,lean it out Hit the throttle .Didn't take too long,back to trolling .-----that said the oil is better these days than it was in the 60's .

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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2020, 10:10:25 PM »
But I certainly got Bob going. I will run out that bit on the saws and then check to see what happens... if anything. . 
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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2020, 11:06:11 PM »
Marine oil is formulated for water cooled engines since they run much cooler, or rather the cylinder and head run cooler. So a marine 2 stroke oil could damage air cooled chainsaw engines, though the vice versa may not happen.
This was something a Stihl engineer warned us about years ago when he was asked about using cheaper marine 2 stroke oil. It was heavily subsidised for the fishing folk who used outboards on smaller fishing boats in our area.

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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2020, 11:50:18 PM »
My old man heated with wood. He would buy the cheapest Poulan and run it until it quit. Then go buy another cheapest Poulan. Once I gave him a case of QuickSilver and he used it in his saw. I think I was still using Quaker State at 1/2 pint to the gallon and burnt oil for bar oil in my 7-19C Homelite.
Rather amazing how much wood we burnt and sold.

Anyhow, I don't remember a problem with outboard oil for that type service.

Of course saws weren't turning 14,000 and the EPA didn't have them lean to the point of cooking.

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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2020, 11:51:01 PM »
That's part of what I read in the white paper;the marine oil was not designed for the high RPM's of chainsaw and the heat cycle of air cooled chainsaws.

But I'm confident the Power Punch worked in my Johnson outboard at the ratio they specified. I tolled with it for days on end and went WOT from one fishing hole to the next fishing hole. I bet if I opened that engine up, it would look like new.

With Power Punch, I was able to get another six months of life from my commercial saws. Now I use Stihl Ultra.

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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2020, 12:35:22 AM »
Yup to all that, done the research and grew up running two stokes from out boards to dirt bikes. Understand the theory and it's nice ti see it spilled out yet again on the boards. But....have a couple of gallons to kill...think "Blng" saw will be the test case...to see if it dies. See if theory matches fact.
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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2020, 03:30:10 AM »
Have used small engine 2 stroke oil in the 70 Evinrude with no issues( old 90's engine, not E-Tec). Would only use marine oil in chainsaw in emergency. Having typed that I would not expect any problems in the short term.

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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2020, 09:16:25 AM »
I think, the inverse would be fine;using chainsaw oil mix at the correct ratio in a marine outboard. Better formulated for abuse and hotter heat cycles.....probably wasteful overkill.....lol.

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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2020, 10:19:41 AM »
But I certainly got Bob going. I will run out that bit on the saws and then check to see what happens... if anything. .
Yeah, but I didn't put any of that slurry in my saws. Get that McCulloch adjusted yet? :D
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2020, 12:51:37 PM »
Maybe cut my losses, put the yellow saws on facebook market place?? Generate cash for red projects? Or trade out for red stuff? Or Outboard stuff...:) Either way they won't last. Strike one was the "rebuilt" one we picked up in Oneonta. This one is two and three. Did have good luck with the 797.......but the rest have been just a pain non stop as compared to the "Red" saws.
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2020, 02:21:20 PM »
Well Walter you could try the other yellow saws ,Partner .Let me warn you though you'll spend a lot of time researching the parts and finding them .Then again they certainly will carry the mail once to get them all together .I've always said were it easy anybody could do it . 8)

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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2020, 03:15:28 PM »
Maybe cut my losses, put the yellow saws on facebook market place?? Generate cash for red projects? Or trade out for red stuff? Or Outboard stuff...:) Either way they won't last. Strike one was the "rebuilt" one we picked up in Oneonta. This one is two and three. Did have good luck with the 797.......but the rest have been just a pain non stop as compared to the "Red" saws.
Well, I wouldn't put anymore time into those things. I got rid of all but 2 of mine that seem to run OK.  :)  There are Mac guys that are better at those things than we are. Send 'em to a good home.
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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2020, 03:19:21 PM »
Well Walter you could try the other yellow saws ,Partner .Let me warn you though you'll spend a lot of time researching the parts and finding them .Then again they certainly will carry the mail once to get them all together .I've always said were it easy anybody could do it . 8)
I'd like to do that myself. But there are really no Partners is this area; never had a decent dealer around here. Maybe every 4-5 years one might wander into the shop.
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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2020, 05:34:55 PM »
The Partner concrete saws in this area were very popular but not so the chainsaws .What got me interested is two fold. Rare and able to be modified if so desired .
I think a number of around 100 cc saws probably came on the scene in the PNW a little after they stopped cutting old growth .Lighter and faster than the big reed valve engines or about the size needed with what they were cutting at that time . Fact all the used parts I rounded up plus the two P-100/Mac 1000 came from the PNW .The new parts I found on the internet by cross referencing a K1200 concrete saw which is the same engine .It was a two year project before I got them restored .One I will paint and put on decals ,the other is still in good trim .

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« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2020, 11:12:13 PM »
Maybe cut my losses, put the yellow saws on facebook market place?? Generate cash for red projects? Or trade out for red stuff? Or Outboard stuff...:) Either way they won't last. Strike one was the "rebuilt" one we picked up in Oneonta. This one is two and three. Did have good luck with the 797.......but the rest have been just a pain non stop as compared to the "Red" saws.
Well, I wouldn't put anymore time into those things. I got rid of all but 2 of mine that seem to run OK.  :)  There are Mac guys that are better at those things than we are. Send 'em to a good home.
I just came to the realization that some people are just MAC people. Look at Buckin' Billy Ray....I think his blood is yellow. However, when he's into real SERIOUS timber, there's usually a Husky or a Squeal in his hands......LOL.

For someone who was creamed in a horrific loggin' incident and had to crawl to get help, you'd think he'd be a more cautious faller today. But then he wouldn't be Buckin' Billy Ray.........gotta be the most upbeat logger I ever saw........

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« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2020, 04:02:59 AM »
The old Macs you either  love them or hate them .Being a collector/ restorer I have them from Mini Macs to 125c which is 123 cc .The old reed valve engines are not like the more modern piston ported engines .That might be a factor for some people who might get discouraged with them .
The later horizontal cylinder piston ported Macs are not like the more modern vertical cylinder designs either ,another factor .
Never the less this is not to say a 40 year old saw that did a fine job then cannot still do a fine job now.Depends on how you look at it I guess .Like I've said many times before if it were easy anybody could do it . :)

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« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2020, 10:16:55 AM »
As you know I'm not very smart with power Eguipment. 
I had 2 gallons of Amsoil snowmobile oil left from my snowmobiling days.
Ran it in my 2150, echo  combi , and jonsered combi for years till it was all gone.
They all still run great.
Never ran it in the 2172 as it was gone by then.
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« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2020, 11:01:50 AM »
That stuff works fine in a saw. Did you mix it at 100:1?
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