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« on: August 25, 2020, 07:58:04 PM »
So we have been cleaning and tracking the cause of a few leaks and other issues that were only half resolved in the winter, these issues are a problem in our neck of the woods a good cleaning, opening all the service doors/panels, even a bit of touchup paint has been in order.  Done as much mechanic work as I'm doing and have a service truck coming to do a couple of repairs but in the meantime have to get back to work.  One issue is trying to catch about  1 quart of oil from 2 different spots that just seep all day.  It has been suggested to put some diapers in floor of service panels close to the weep holes and change every night before leaving.  Has anyone done anything like this?
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Re: diapers on equipment
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2020, 08:14:25 PM »
Look into 'pig mats'. We used them in the shop all the time for all kinds of leak and small spills, they come in perf rolls and tear off like paper towels and really soak up the oil. One of the things I miss about working was being able to bring some home from time to time to put under my Mule in the shop. Good stuff and will probably fit your need perfectly.
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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2020, 08:56:39 PM »
gotcha, I'm looking at pigmats now, what a strange term.  
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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2020, 09:14:12 PM »
They specialize in spill cleanup kits. They first started making theses snake like things for putting around a floor spill as containment, but then they got into these mats. We would buy cases of the stuff regularly and had rolls all around the facility. They also make nice pads to sit on during lunch outside on a rainy or very cold day. Good stuff, hope this is helpful to you. Oh, and the promo stuff they send to customers is usually fun stuff.
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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2020, 09:35:23 PM »
Actually  the pigmats  are disposable fibrous pads that act as absorbant bedding for new born baby pigs. Yes you could cut them to fit and a layer or two would catch the leaks holding the oil for the short term. I use them every once in a while around here.

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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2020, 09:50:46 PM »
The pig mats are the way to go. I use the white and grey ones. The white ones soak up oil and repel water and the gray ones soak up both. White is great if its wet or oil spill in a bbn puddle etc. I keep a stack of both in my truck at all times.

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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2020, 09:56:41 PM »
I don't know.  I hear you on the issue of having a leak - BUT - if you burn your machine because Murphy showed up and found a nice oil soaked pad at 3:00, then you are going to have a much larger, negative environmental impact on your hands.  Then of course your insurance company might have something to say about not fixing a known issue and potentially creating the combustion source in the interest of getting back to work.  

How long before the service truck can get there?
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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2020, 11:28:12 PM »
I don't know.  I hear you on the issue of having a leak - BUT - if you burn your machine because Murphy showed up and found a nice oil soaked pad at 3:00, then you are going to have a much larger, negative environmental impact on your hands.  Then of course your insurance company might have something to say about not fixing a known issue and potentially creating the combustion source in the interest of getting back to work.  

How long before the service truck can get there?
Kinda my thoughts with a machine and the fire hazard issue. If it's a quart a day let it leak out of the machine or fix it if you don't like that idea. It would be very tempting to leave them in there if not "full". 
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« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2020, 07:03:51 AM »
@barbender  ask Pekka  :D.  So we've been working to trouble shoot some of these leaks for a while, since we bought it, but couldn't track down.  Turns out some of the access plates were not/are not accessible; took days to figure that out and broken breaker bars and hot tempers and torch fuel.  Lost so much time on the diagnosis that I've blown our downtime and have to get back to work, buyers coming day after holiday so that's not much time to start getting loads on the ground.  Ponsse will have truck here, they're doing right thing it is just timing, top service guys are involved in diagnosing, good commitment and no complaints at this time- hopefully have timing sorted by tomorrow.  We do have a working tested fire suppression system and shut down properly.  

I would drop the plates/doors and pull pads every evening and put new ones in for a week or two.  Pads would beat the mountain of organic soaked material that was there (still is on one diff) previously.  We're going to lose a few days work while they are here and that's an issue so more delay would be a killer.  @barbender pads would go under or over front diff and in rear bunk channel on top of drain holes (see PM for details).  
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« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2020, 08:33:34 AM »
1 quart a day I would just let it drip. Maybe park on a matt or over a pan at night. 

Any sort of diaper soaked in oil is bound to be flammable and I wouldn't want that stuffdd inside my machine. As for the fire suppression system I wouldn't count on it saving your machine. Personally seen multiple machines burn up with a working and deployed fire suppression system.

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« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2020, 09:06:34 AM »
1 quart a day I would just let it drip. Maybe park on a matt or over a pan at night.

Any sort of diaper soaked in oil is bound to be flammable and I wouldn't want that stuffdd inside my machine. As for the fire suppression system I wouldn't count on it saving your machine. Personally seen multiple machines burn up with a working and deployed fire suppression system.
Can't have it dripping at this next site, just can't.  Besides I figure that the amount of material I pulled out of there was way way way worse than a single day's leak, I mean it was ..not good.  So on the whole I'm much further ahead than where we were last month.  
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« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2020, 09:18:18 AM »
Hes logging the ritz carlton country club next and they truly wont tolerate any machine peeing on the green.

Use ratchet straps and cardboard or even make a gurney from plywood and plank so it can be strapped easily.. Pack the diapers under the machine so you can change them without pulling the panels.  If they get ripped off oh well.  Better than a fire or getting kicked out.  Just get through this one job and get your $$ while u can. 
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« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2020, 09:31:51 AM »
Mike is just about spot on :D.  The door panels are no big issues, they drop easily.  One access plate requires a transmission jack to catch it so that is, of course, the one area with the worst leak. We'll plug it somehow.  

We have been offered a property right next door to the Ritz, honest to gosh neighbors.  Too much on our plate to take that on for now.  
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« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2020, 09:43:01 AM »
Aw cmon wyatt.  Just order another ponnse.. Then you can have two babies to feed and change.  

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« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2020, 09:45:54 AM »
Aw cmon wyatt.  Just order another ponnse.. Then you can have two babies to feed and change.  

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« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2020, 09:50:55 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2020, 10:12:37 AM »
Great thought Mike.  Thanks for that link!
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« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2020, 10:26:58 AM »
I knew a guy with a dodge (dirty oil dripping gas eater) diesel that liked to mark its territory. He had a tree service and many times parked in ppl's driveways. Those ppl he was working for did not like the territory marking so he got a piece of landscape fabric and draped it hanging from the undercarriage. Kept all the drips off the driveways and customers were much happier.

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« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2020, 10:52:11 AM »
Is another forwarder an option? Pay rent yes but get the machine to Ponsse and get your jobs cut without new problems. No down time, fires or loss of reputation/jobs. 

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« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2020, 04:56:05 PM »
here they will make you change the hdy. oil to oil that has no bearing on soil. Its real costly per drum thou so I pass on those tree hugger jobs

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« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2020, 05:30:57 PM »
The longer you wait the worse it is gonna get. Might as well go on and break her down and fix it. Replace every oring and seal that you encounter to get to the ones that are leaking.  

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« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2020, 05:34:05 PM »
If a tree hugger can spot a 1 quart leak spread over more than a 200sqft lot i would crap my pants. What are they going to do when a hose blows? Haha. 

If they are truly magic and can spot that size of leak I would just wait until the machine is fixed and before it starts leaking again. Lol

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« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2020, 05:37:01 PM »
Put a kiddie pool under it. I sold 4 to some crew just for that reason.
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« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2020, 07:09:05 PM »
I used jumbo Modess pads with the sticky backing on my various engine leaks for years in the machinery spaces on my boats. There are also oil absorbent pads , but they are pretty expensive. Nothing is as expensive as failing a Coast Guard examination ,,,,so it is all relative.
  The kid pool idea is also good. A couple of my friends leased a Convair 880 years ago and we had to put kiddy pools under each engine nacelle  or we were not allowed to stay at airports overnight.Don't ask what we did with all the waste oil.....
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« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2020, 08:06:45 PM »
The longer you wait the worse it is gonna get. Might as well go on and break her down and fix it. Replace every oring and seal that you encounter to get to the ones that are leaking.  
Right now it's just a matter of a Ponsse truck showing up, they are being great.  I'm just a long way from any other customer.  I like the idea to just replace a whole whack of orings and seals :).  
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« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2020, 08:07:30 PM »
I used jumbo Modess pads with the sticky backing on my various engine leaks for years in the machinery spaces on my boats. There are also oil absorbent pads , but they are pretty expensive. Nothing is as expensive as failing a Coast Guard examination ,,,,so it is all relative.
  The kid pool idea is also good. A couple of my friends leased a Convair 880 years ago and we had to put kiddy pools under each engine nacelle  or we were not allowed to stay at airports overnight.Don't ask what we did with all the waste oil.....
So hmm...what did you do with the oil?  and where the heck do you park it if not an airport?
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« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2020, 08:11:35 PM »
If a tree hugger can spot a 1 quart leak spread over more than a 200sqft lot i would crap my pants. What are they going to do when a hose blows? Haha.

If they are truly magic and can spot that size of leak I would just wait until the machine is fixed and before it starts leaking again. Lol
Man when it sits overnight in the same spot for a week the two leaks (both about a quart) are just giant black stains, slick with oil.  Not a great sight and I can see it from 100' away ..so can the property owners.  It's the property owners that matter, not tree huggers per se but very very high end area.  For that matter I mean our forwarder could not work on a utility line project with these leaks.    
Ponsse is being great, they'll get fixed soon.  Just for several days I will change diapers.  
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« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2020, 08:13:58 PM »
Put a kiddie pool under it. I sold 4 to some crew just for that reason.
Good idea for when it's parked, I can always take it over to our county recycling landfill.  I have some buckets :).
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« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2020, 08:28:07 PM »
If you go kiddie pool option, you could rig up an electric pump with a filter and just pump  the oil  back in .  Not my idea but have seen that set up on a barko 295 with a leaky swivel.  

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« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2020, 08:59:43 PM »
I used jumbo Modess pads with the sticky backing on my various engine leaks for years in the machinery spaces on my boats. There are also oil absorbent pads , but they are pretty expensive. Nothing is as expensive as failing a Coast Guard examination ,,,,so it is all relative.
  The kid pool idea is also good. A couple of my friends leased a Convair 880 years ago and we had to put kiddy pools under each engine nacelle  or we were not allowed to stay at airports overnight.Don't ask what we did with all the waste oil.....
So hmm...what did you do with the oil?  and where the heck do you park it if not an airport?
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 No comment on the oil, about a half case a day for 4 engines......
 More pertinent to this thread are the jumbo Modess pads. ;D
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« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2020, 09:29:16 PM »
Put a kiddie pool under it. I sold 4 to some crew just for that reason.
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« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2020, 09:58:07 PM »
So Rob I have to ask - what were you and your friends doing with a leased AIRLINER?  Is there a Roadie story here that involves Jerry Garcia?  :D 
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« Reply #32 on: August 27, 2020, 06:40:19 AM »
So Rob I have to ask - what were you and your friends doing with a leased AIRLINER?  Is there a Roadie story here that involves Jerry Garcia?  :D
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Smells phishy?
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« Reply #34 on: August 27, 2020, 09:02:53 AM »
I don't know....sounds an awful lot like someone taking all of their winnings and flying up to Nova Scotia to watch the total eclipse of the sun.  Maybe we finally found out that Carly was singing about Rob?  :D
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« Reply #35 on: August 27, 2020, 09:03:11 AM »
Yes, the cargo version and to fly fresh fish into the Los Angeles marketplace. Huge lease payments, fuel costs, inability to self start- meaning we had to bribe or beg starts off of bigger carriers (cases of Coors beer) at each airport.
 I tried another similar business with flying race horses and fresh fish (separately  :D ) that failed before it got off of the ground. You need to pick honest partners......
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« Reply #36 on: August 27, 2020, 09:44:43 AM »
Well, theres always wood working...
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A six pack and a crisp 100 dollar bill is how I started my sawmill business 15 years ago. Beer is a universal happy face commodity that crosses all lines........ 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Re: diapers on equipment
« Reply #40 on: August 27, 2020, 08:35:42 PM »
If it has a detroit in it and its not leaking daily, something aint right. Pretty sure that the FSM said leaking was part of the normal operation!   ;D


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