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Offline Bruno of NH

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Re: Hired man and fork frames
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2020, 07:31:17 AM »
This is my little spare frame
3,000lb
The 4,500 is at the welder made in USA broke like that
6,500 is at the welder same thing
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Re: Hired man and fork frames
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2020, 07:34:10 AM »
That is then an operator issue, he doesn't need to be running your equipment.
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Re: Hired man and fork frames
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2020, 08:59:11 AM »
I suspect he side pushes logs jammed in the pile with a single tip.  And if it dont give he gives it more.  


"Joe.  The next fork rack is gonna cost you a job" is all you need to say. 
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Re: Hired man and fork frames
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2020, 10:09:55 AM »
I agree, I have seen damage like that, it is usually by side turning and cramming the forks into an immovable object, trying to manipulate stuff sideways, or just clumsy driving while ďside crammingĒ.  The mounting frame simply cannot take that kind of torquing leverage, so instead of a dead weight load of say 5,000 lbs, or 2,500 lbs per fork, with no torque, it turns into a torquing load with 4 foot forks of 20,000 lbs, generally only carried by one fork.  If he is jamming the forks in the ground, or a stump, or whatever, then side turning, something will have to give, and if the earth doesnít give, the fork pocket will.  

Iíd simply dock his paycheck for the repair, however many hours or days it takes for him to pay it off.  If he is useful to have around, he will either learn, or quit.  

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Re: Hired man and fork frames
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2020, 10:13:16 AM »
 The forks are to big for the frame. I bought my frame from one place and the forks were given to me from a friend. I had problems with the forks coming off and they bent the frame some, the same way yours are.

 

 

 This is my quick fix to the left side.



 

 And the right side.
 There's 2 pieces of 1/4 rebar one on top of the other next to the flat plate. Then a piece of 3/8 rebar behind them as filler.
 Then I ground all of it into a taper to fit the fork holder.
 I forgot to take a picture of the bottom part of the forks that hold them from tipping away from the bottom frame. But there wasn't any rebuilding of it. On the left side you can see a slot where the lock goes and how big the fork pocket is.

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« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2020, 10:16:27 AM »
Finesse on equipment canít be taught you either have it or donít 

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« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2020, 10:28:38 AM »
I agree.  however, a beginner may have to be taught.  My son started and it took him a while.  He would move a lever slow cause I told him to but if it did not move soon, he would jam it.  I came close to getting hurt a time or two.  you have to anticipate the machine movement.  after hours and days on a machine, it become a bionic part of your body.  you have to hear a slight change in the engine sound as it starts to do some work as you pressurize the circuit.  even with experience you can make a mistake.  if you are doing two cylinders at a time like with an excavator, and stop the one, the other gets more power and can suddenly move.  so after multiple times my son got the look and maybe a word or two for giving it all or nothing on a hydraulic, I did it to him.  was digging close to pipes and curling the bucket and moving it sideways.  stopped curling and the arm swung.  William was watching the pipe and it made him jump.  the look on his face was priceless, cause he now under stood what I had been telling him.  this stuff is powerful and why we love it. but in the wrong hands, dangerous and life and limb threatening.
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Re: Hired man and fork frames
« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2020, 12:16:32 PM »
We had a nickname for people who were habitually destroying equipment.  

They earned the nickname and were labeled with the acronym of the first letters of "Hard On Equipment."  

They didn't like the nickname.   :D  
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Re: Hired man and fork frames
« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2020, 08:31:22 PM »
Bruno you may ask your wife to hire the next operator and perhaps she should be of the same gender.
I know of a woman rancher who only hires woman because they are easier on the equipment .

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Re: Hired man and fork frames
« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2020, 08:34:10 PM »
I have to agree with the above statement and add that they also eat less too! 
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Re: Hired man and fork frames
« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2020, 08:47:22 PM »
That aint enough fork rack for a 9 series.  
My thought exactly, although there is still operator error going on.
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« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2020, 09:44:02 PM »
A young local woman is one of the best track hoe operators I have seen, her foreman says the same thing. Some people are not meant to run equipment, they just don't get it, while others take to it naturally. That kind of abuse costs you time and money, only you can determine when enough is enough. 
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« Reply #32 on: September 05, 2020, 10:47:07 PM »
Bruno you may ask your wife to hire the next operator and perhaps she should be of the same gender.
I know of a woman rancher who only hires woman because they are easier on the equipment .

Working within the limitations of your equipment will lead to fewer breakdowns,
I donít know about that. Several years ago my friend that was letting his lady friend run the Cat D6 high track Dozer and she had a monster cottonwood fall on it. That was 30k in damages. She was fine and went on to damage other stuff 😂. He was way to nice of a guy and still is. Between him shelling money out for everybody that asked for money and everybody that wanted to work plus loaning a side dumper trailer and having a hard time getting it back from someone. It cost him thousands plus the down time bailing someone out of a jambs. Now he is alone and everybody leaves him alone. He likes it that way. The stories that guy has 😂

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Re: Hired man and fork frames
« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2020, 09:34:08 PM »
Next time, send him home. If his machine's not working, he's not working.

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« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2020, 06:48:04 AM »
simple answer to the problem. turn the hydraulic pressure down  

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« Reply #35 on: September 10, 2020, 10:50:22 AM »
should prob. change it to, women who make it their profession, may bring some things to the table like finesse and patience.  It still requires ability and desire to learn.  some folks no matter the details, have something to prove and think faster and harder makes them a good worker.  it is good to get the job done, but not at the expense of equipment.  My brother worked for a big road construction company, and they were fine with tearing some stuff up to get a job done.  they would have thousands of dollar in fines if late ect.  but he would come to my house.  get and Ingersoll-Rand air drill new out of the box, then drag it by the air hose across the concrete floor to use it.  while I was chewing his Ash tree like and EAB, he tried to explain that one to me.  No go.  do not use my tools.  We all have different strengths and weaknesses, and only you Bruno can determine if he is worth trying to train.
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« Reply #36 on: September 10, 2020, 12:28:32 PM »
He got mad at me yesterday because I yelled at him.
We had a customer waiting on us and he was just doing what ever he wanted making them wait.
He's lucky it wasn't 20 years ago.
41 years old had his mom come get him.
I offered to give him a ride.
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Re: Hired man and fork frames
« Reply #37 on: September 10, 2020, 12:45:09 PM »
Bruno unless this gentleman is legitimately impaired then you really need to reconsider his value as an employee. 

Sometimes the long term damage outweighs the short term benefits. 
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Re: Hired man and fork frames
« Reply #38 on: September 10, 2020, 08:06:10 PM »
Bruno, you are about the nicest, most reasonable, hard working, straight forward guy Iíve never met.  

I could not imagine you getting upset with an employee, or anyone else for that matter, unless they really, really deserved it.  If he canít work for you, then he canít work for anybody.  

Fire his  smiley_wavy.

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Re: Hired man and fork frames
« Reply #39 on: September 10, 2020, 08:47:58 PM »
Your hired guy just doesnít seem to have respect for you. Seems like the problems keep happening. He might be grateful to be working for you. But Actions Speak Louder Than Words.


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