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New West German 044AV
« on: September 08, 2020, 02:01:58 PM »
I found this gem this morning while doing treework for a customer.
Customer brings out from his shed this very low hour early Stihl 044 asking me what it's worth.

He said he bought it over 30 years ago to buck up some delivered birch firewood in his driveway. Used it to only cut for a day his  wood and has sat on his work bench ever since for being too hard to start.
When he bought it the dealer had no 16" ES bar that he wanted so he swapped out the longer ES bar for a 16" Oregon b/c.

It's a 1989 10mm 044AV with about 4 hours of run time. I put some fresh fuel mix in it got it running and runs beautifully.  Idled perfectly on the ground, upside down and sideways.

Sure brung back memories of my old 044.
I don't need another vintage saw so I was honest with him that his saw is highly sought after today and he could easily get back the $500 he paid for it in 1989.

Decisions decisions, what should I do :laugh:


 

 

 

 

 

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Re: New West German 044AV
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2020, 03:36:19 PM »
What is something like that worth? A saw that old with that little use isn't easy to come by. I'd think $500 would be the low end of the spectrum.

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Re: New West German 044AV
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2020, 04:00:48 PM »
What is something like that worth? A saw that old with that little use isn't easy to come by. I'd think $500 would be the low end of the spectrum.
Yeah that $500 Canadian ($380 US) he paid in 1989 is cheap by todays standards.
But same situation happened to me a few years ago where I bought a never used 1993 272XP from a tree customer for $300 CDN, was able to sell it to $600 but had a hard time selling it. I did sell my old well worn 10mm 044 for $400
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Re: New West German 044AV
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2020, 04:07:33 PM »
How do you tell how many hours are on a saw?
Do some models have hour meters?

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Re: New West German 044AV
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2020, 06:05:51 PM »
I know my customer good and myself running and buying saws for the last 46 years (with a few 10mm 044s from new included) I can tell how many hours this saw has.
Just to feel it's  tight AV suspension, chain brake,  master control and how it starts and runs. Yep it's brand new.

Best hour meter something this new is look at the rings to see how much wear is on the wear indicator marks.
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Re: New West German 044AV
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2020, 06:11:37 PM »
How do you tell how many hours are on a saw?
Do some models have hour meters?

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Here you go JJ,
Hour meter for original rings.


 

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Re: New West German 044AV
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2020, 06:34:51 PM »
The Stihl 044AV was introduced in the winter of 1988/'89. 
In the spring of 1989 Stihl hired me to help plant the seeds of the 044 in the industry.  :)


 
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Re: New West German 044AV
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2020, 09:13:15 PM »
Other than looking at the piston rings on both sides as in Willard's pics.....it's an experience thing.

You can just tell;remaining paint, where the scuffs are, how tight the pieces that move fit....the exhaust muffler itself etc. Could be things broken on it by a n00b, but the telltale signs still remain of its low hrs.

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Re: New West German 044AV
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2020, 09:56:24 PM »
Majority of scuffing this saw owned by a nooby has had is 31 years of being shuffling around inside a packed storage shed. Even got some white house paint dried on the top handle.
When I fired it up this morning it had that "new saw tight feeling". My newest work saw is already 8 years old and it feels loose....rewind,  controls,  av suspension.

I may have to go and put an offer on that saw.  Got a new Stihl 20" ES Lite bar that will look really good on it.
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Re: New West German 044AV
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2020, 10:33:07 PM »
Thanks, quite humbled.
FF is awesome to be able for dubber to connect with experts..
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Re: New West German 044AV
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2020, 07:31:48 AM »
I bought a new 044 in 1992, sold it to a friend a few years ago, he cuts his winters wood with it then puts it away until the next year. Excellent chainsaws by anyones standards.
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Re: New West German 044AV
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2020, 09:05:00 AM »
I've had my 044 since new but I don't remember what year, it still runs great. When we have a firewood detail at the hunting camp and someone with "another brand" saw gets to use the 044 they often comment on how nice it is, it just feels right.
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Re: New West German 044AV
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2020, 10:50:50 AM »
Even for $500.00 US money that saw would have followed me home. Tough to find those old lightly used Stihl saws. Most folks that have Stihl commercial saws bought them to use. I got lucky about a year ago and found a nice 660 that had only been used on one tree job to clean up a property and then had been in storage. Its been a great saw. 

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Re: New West German 044AV
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2020, 11:15:13 AM »
I agree with hedgerow even though it's a stihl  ;). That is a rare gem to find.

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Re: New West German 044AV
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2020, 01:16:35 PM »
Anything I find in larger saws has been rode hard and put up wet.
old age and treachery will always overcome youth and enthusiasm

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Re: New West German 044AV
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2020, 01:58:36 PM »
It's 1:00 and I'm taking down 4 small jack pine with my new 1989 044AV 8)
Will have to clean off the pine sap for a photo shoot later on  :)
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Re: New West German 044AV
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2020, 02:44:43 PM »
If I could only have that kind of thing happen to me. Thats what happens with right time in right place.
Trying harder everyday.

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« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2020, 10:00:58 PM »
If I could only have that kind of thing happen to me. Thats what happens with right time in right place.
Happened to me twice now with the 272XP and this 044. 
I much prefer this 044 then the 4 year old newer heavier and early 1980's design 272XP.
These first year 044's were spec'd at under 13lbs PHO. The weight of a 562XP but feels like it's got twice the power then the Husky. 
044 felt like a old friend working the wood today, all kinds of torque and top end power.  Will have more when the rings seat in.


 

 

 

 

 

 
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Re: New West German 044AV
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2020, 10:06:33 PM »
Looks good with that light bar!

I'm a fan of modern saws. That's all I've used since I only recently got into them. I have zero desire to hunt down vintage saws, but if that dropped in my lap like it did for you, I might have had to take it home too  :^)

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Re: New West German 044AV
« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2020, 10:36:29 PM »
Yes this 20"  Light bar really balances the 044 nicely.
If I was falling timber 5 days a week I would go with a MS462.
But on and off cutting during the day tree service work the 044 fits perfectly.
I work in alot of heat and humidity and it doesn't  bother these older saws.
They just keep going and no hot start issues ever.
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Re: New West German 044AV
« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2020, 11:43:49 PM »
Here's the spec sheet of these first year 10mm 044s in 1989.


 
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Re: New West German 044AV
« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2020, 04:41:06 AM »
Yes there are good feelings to be had when you have something that held it's own 
while the newer/improved models slowly took over(some never got there). It's great to see well kept and fully functioning older gear still doing a good job. 


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Re: New West German 044AV
« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2020, 07:37:51 AM »
Great looking 044 ! Performance and reliability right there, if you've never ran one of them you have missed out.
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Re: New West German 044AV
« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2020, 09:19:48 AM »
These first series 044s were developed with the best power to weight ratio, but not for a heavy handed end user running a oversized bar and chain on them.
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« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2020, 10:21:19 AM »
I always ran a 20" on mine.
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Re: New West German 044AV
« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2020, 02:07:28 PM »
My 044 has a 20" bar on 90% of the time with a 24" on occasion.
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Re: New West German 044AV
« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2020, 03:37:10 PM »
Might sound hard to believe but Dan Henry from Pa ported an 044 that had no problem running 36" bar with full comp chain .I ran it and can testify to that as fact. I have on occasion used a 32" bar  running skip on my 038 Mag which is also souped up .Usually it's also a 20" but with a 8 tooth rim .All that said any 044 I've ran would or should not have a problem with a 24" bar .

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« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2020, 06:19:53 PM »
That was very common here in softwood, a nicely balanced package.
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« Reply #28 on: September 10, 2020, 09:16:50 PM »
I weighed the 562XP and 044 PHO no fuel and oil.
Surprised to see the 562 is quite a bit heavier.
So it looks like Stihl's 12.8 lb spec is close enough. Left over oil and gas in saw probably made the difference. 
12lb 14oz = 12.875 lbs


 

 

 

 

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