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Alternative methods of oiling chain
« on: October 12, 2020, 02:41:23 PM »
I (like a lot of people) have trouble keeping my chain oiled.....and I was wondering: has anyone thought up a alternative? Maybe something external to the saw (that could be mounted on it)? 

One thing I've thought about doing is having a bucket of chain oil (with a shallow level)......and sticking the tip in everytime things get dry. 

Any ideas? 

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Re: Alternative methods of oiling chain
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2020, 03:05:24 PM »
The chain needs a constant supply of oi when cutting, it will overheat and stretch quickly without it. What is the make and model of your saw? What length of bar? Are you using quality brand name chain and oil? Auxillary lube systems are used on chainsaw mills but are not practical for a hand held.
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Re: Alternative methods of oiling chain
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2020, 03:54:47 PM »
I have a variety of saws. THe main one I use however is the MS 660 (Stihl). 25" bar typically. And I use only Stihl bar oil.

People invent so many gizmos nowadays.....I just wanted to inquire as to what is out there. 

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Re: Alternative methods of oiling chain
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2020, 03:58:32 PM »
That saw is designed to run, and oil, bars out to what 32"? Longer than that probably. If it won't oil a 25", I'd guess either the oiler is turned down all the way, the filter or screen in the tank is plugged (I don't know what Stihl uses), or there is something mechanically wrong with the boiler itself.
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Re: Alternative methods of oiling chain
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2020, 04:02:48 PM »
I have seen an oil squirt can clamped to the handle of an old school saw, pointed at the chain on a bow blade.
I don't think you want to go there....I wish that I had a pic, but it was prior to cell phones.

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Re: Alternative methods of oiling chain
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2020, 05:09:29 PM »
I'm at a loss thinking of anything that would be nice to use in a variety of circumstances(felling, bucking, limbing...). The best I could come up with is an external tank, with a thumb oiler like an old school saw, but it would suck having an external tank getting in the way, and weighing things down. I'm with barbender. If a 25" bar isn't getting oiled, there's something wrong. Stihl is a little stingy with oil, but it should still have a sheen on the bar.

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Re: Alternative methods of oiling chain
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2020, 05:39:18 PM »
Yeah, any addition is extra weight to haul. 

And it's not a big mystery why it keeps happening to me (or anyone else): the weep holes get backed up. But I was thinking for a way to bypass that. Thanks to all.

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Re: Alternative methods of oiling chain
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2020, 08:46:46 PM »
Chainsaws are one machine that needs frequent cleaning and maintenance. Keeping the bar, oil ports in the bar and the channel that the drive teeth run in cleaned goes a long way. The others who said maybe dirt in the oil tank and proper oiler adjustment  should cover it. If you know all this, take no offense.

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Re: Alternative methods of oiling chain
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2020, 10:47:42 PM »
No gizmo needed unless you're milling lumber...then there's kits to gravity feed oil at the tip.

I run 36" bars and  longer on big cc saws and have no issues except in long cuts, whereupon I use the manual oiler.

For your bar length, you should have plenty of oil for the task....something is wrong with you system. Could be something as simple as the bar oil holes don't line up perfectly with the saw's oiler or you're not keeping the bar rails clean enough etc.

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Re: Alternative methods of oiling chain
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2020, 04:42:08 AM »
I (like a lot of people) have trouble keeping my chain oiled.....and I was wondering: has anyone thought up a alternative? 
Any ideas?
I always found Stihl oil to be a bit too sticky - or a bit on the 'viscous' side even their 'light' grade of oil, and since their oilers are notoriously stingy with distribution I depending on the intended usage, often mix in some cheaper and sloppier TSC winter grade oil to help it loosen things up some!
Depending on the amount - and admittedly I mainly just go by guess, I feel I can make the bar oil pretty much flow any way I wish, to suit the wood or the outside temperatures, while still keeping a lot of the good known Stihl bar oil characteristics from what I can tell..
This may not be the ticket for extreme usage like milling or other 
really oddball situations, but in regular hardwood firewood bucking and general use it seems to work out well for me - your results may vary!

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Re: Alternative methods of oiling chain
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2020, 08:42:53 AM »
I put a high volume oiler on my 660 and use TS oil.  Works great.  Lots of oil on the bar and chain.

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Re: Alternative methods of oiling chain
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2020, 08:44:51 AM »
Dawn bottle full of old motor oil.  Poor people have poor people ways. 
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Re: Alternative methods of oiling chain
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2020, 09:30:18 AM »
 :D Lots of ideas I must say .The first thing I would do is run about a half a tank full of plain old kerosene through the oiling system .Dust, crud of some sort can work  it's way into the system over time and plug things up .About like eating prunes if you get plugged up .
Then some times it just depends on who made the bar because they are not all the same .Some have teeny weenie little oiling holes and it just does not allow as much oil to get in the bar groove  in the first place .All the sudden they thought bar oil was about like the wreck of the Exxon Valdez when it broke up on the rocks .Nonsense .
As far as I'm concerned if that saw was rated for a 36" bar it should oil a 36" bar .If not it's the oiler not the oil .

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Re: Alternative methods of oiling chain
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2020, 02:05:34 PM »
If I can get the picture to load this is what I was talking about regarding different bar configurations .In the picture the white bar is a Stihl,which has a small oil hole .The other two gray bars are McCulloch and Husqvarna  which for all intents are interchangeable .Note one bar has small oil holes the other has a larger hole plus they both oil through the unused bar tightening hole on the Mac 10 series like an 850 .One bar which I think is Husqvarna the larger oil  hole goes completely through the bar and if the outer bar plate does not seal it up just dribbles off the bar and never makes it to  the chain .In that case you make a sort of a gasket which I use a piece of a beverage can to stop the out flow .Puts the oil where it is supposed to be .Having said all that you can enlarge the oil hole on a Stihl bar which should improve it . The white bar was the first I came across but I do have some Oregon Stihl mounts also which might be a little bit different .


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Re: Alternative methods of oiling chain
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2020, 02:53:27 PM »
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No gizmo needed unless you're milling lumber...then there's kits to gravity feed oil at the tip. 

I don't mill lumber.....but I'm all ears.....what "kit" are you referring to here? Are they part of the chainsaw mill itself?


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Re: Alternative methods of oiling chain
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2020, 03:38:13 PM »
They are just a bottle and drip tube that is attached to the mill.
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Re: Alternative methods of oiling chain
« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2020, 03:58:42 PM »
Thanks. A lot of the mills I've looked at over the years didn't have that.

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Re: Alternative methods of oiling chain
« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2020, 01:07:00 PM »
Now that I look for it.....I can't find it. Can anyone recommend a mill that has such a oiler? Don't see one on line.

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Re: Alternative methods of oiling chain
« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2020, 03:25:48 PM »
It is an accessory, mills don't come equipped with them.
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Re: Alternative methods of oiling chain
« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2020, 03:57:00 PM »
Granberg sells a kit for their mills, but you don't have to through that expense. My setup cost less than $10. I just threw some stuff together, and it hasn't all worked out, but I have a better idea how to set it up now. All you need is a container of some kind(I used a gear oil bottle), a way to mount it(I took the plastic plug out of an upright, stuck a couple stickers in the hole, and tied the bottle upside down with tiewire and bungie cords), a hose(I used the wrong kind of poly, and it got stiff), a valve(I used a plastic fuel shutoff, and a way to achor the hose above the bar(I used perforated strapping, and screwed it to a provided hole on the mill, and crimped around the hose.

All of which is to say you can do just about anything. Nothing's particularly critical. A container for oil, and a way to get it to the bar and regulate drip. You might already have the stuff in your garage.


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