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Price of a load of pine logs
« on: November 02, 2020, 06:15:16 AM »
can someone give me an idea of what I should expect to pay for a truck load of pine logs in Arkansas? 
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Re: Price of a load of pine logs
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2020, 07:42:44 PM »
White Pine around here (NY) is bringing 2 to $250.00 a thousand delivered to the mill. Here is a price list from VT.
http://northeasttimberexchange.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/NTE-Saw-Logs-Prices-and-Specs-OCT-15-2020.pdf

You should be able to google timber prices and find a list in your area.
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Re: Price of a load of pine logs
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2020, 09:03:46 PM »
Lot of factors can come into play with that question.  How far are they coming from?  What grade and size are you looking for? How wet are things right now?  Are the competing mills full or hungry?  

Around here right now $42ish / ton will get you OK SYP logs, nothing spectacular, but decent.  Clear 4 sides with tight rings will be in the $60 range.  
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« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2020, 09:09:54 PM »
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Re: Price of a load of pine logs
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2020, 09:20:21 PM »
Lot of factors can come into play with that question.  How far are they coming from?  What grade and size are you looking for? How wet are things right now?  Are the competing mills full or hungry?  

Around here right now $42ish / ton will get you OK SYP logs, nothing spectacular, but decent.  Clear 4 sides with tight rings will be in the $60 range.  
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I see where going by the ton can reduce scaling errors big time.  However is there a scale or magic formula 
you can use to go from tons to board footage based on the number of logs and lengths of logs?
I would think that a one ton log would have more lumber in it than five 400 pounders with all six log being the same length.
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Re: Price of a load of pine logs
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2020, 09:59:20 PM »
Arkansas Timber Price Report
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I believe the prices in the linked report are for stumpage, or at least I have never been able to find any different in it.
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Re: Price of a load of pine logs
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2020, 10:04:49 PM »
GAB, if you know the green weight of the wood per cord, you can convert it. Red Pine up here is 4800 pounds per cord average, although nice older age logs probably are closer to 5000. A cord is 500 bf roughly, so 10,000 pounds per MBF. Or said another way 5 ton per MBF. I just paid $300/MBF for a load of Red Pine logs. So, I think that makes $60 per ton. As you can see, my math is kind of like taking the "scenic route" but I get there eventually😂
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Re: Price of a load of pine logs
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2020, 10:08:03 PM »
Well the answer - at least when it comes to SYP - is that "it depends".  You are correct that yield from the single log will likely be higher in terms of recovered BF, and especially clear lumber as an overall percentage, which is part of the reason grades are divided up by diameter as well as clear sides.  

SYP does something funny, at some point along the way while growing up, the portion of the log that would one day in the future become actual "heart pine" starts to become quite a bit less dense, almost like the tree is creating a vacant place to put away all of the toxic garbage when it becomes necessary.  Seems like this happens in 30+ year old trees.  It will involve the juvenile wood and some of that around it.  Get into 60 year old trees and you will being to see some actual heart wood develop in this area, not much, but some.  This void area - for lack of a better word - is noticeable lighter when you grab a board.  Once the heart shows up in it however it becomes just the opposite, noticeably heavier as the space is filled with resin. 

What I am getting at is this phenomenon will impact the weight / BF ratio of logs as they "mature" so any real magic formula would somehow have to account for the age range of the logs too.  There are metrics to average the ton / BF, but it's not an exact science for sure.  

For my area BF prices would be in the $250 - $360 MBF range for the logs I was talking about above.  Most outfits want to sell pine logs by the ton these days, some small guys are comfortable with stick scale, but the big outfits only understand ton and don't want anything else - which is FINE by me and I am happy to buy the grade logs I buy by the ton all day long - for the reasons I explained above.    
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Re: Price of a load of pine logs
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2020, 08:25:31 AM »
Timber market in Georgia all by the ton.  No scaling.  5 tons per MBF is a DanG good rule of thumb for sawing SYP on a band mill. 
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Re: Price of a load of pine logs
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2020, 08:30:15 AM »
Arkansas Timber Price Report
Don,
I believe the prices in the linked report are for stumpage, or at least I have never been able to find any different in it.
yep, but about the only source for a moderately fair price for timber.  Conversion is available.
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Re: Price of a load of pine logs
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2020, 10:08:31 AM »
Barbender, Southside, & WDH:
Thank you for the replies.
After I posted in this thread last night I got to thinking, (I know bad thing).
Pulled out my machinery's handbook and on page 1891 the first listing for SYP says 53#/cuft.
Then did some ciphering while making some assumptions and roundings off.
Assumed the mean diameter the entire length of the log.
Did not discount for the bark.
Used the Int'l 1/4 scale and interpolated.
Came up with:
A 2000# log @ 10' long has 37.736 cuft or ~312 bdft.
Five 400# logs @10' long have 7.547 cuft each for a total of ~ 262.5 bdft.
262.5/312=~ 84%
My conclusion based on my math (please note: when I went to school new math had not been thought of yet) 
for the same $/ton buy the larger logs as you will have a better yield.
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Re: Price of a load of pine logs
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2020, 07:03:32 PM »
Great info and many different scenarios what does MBF stand for? 
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Re: Price of a load of pine logs
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2020, 07:06:38 PM »
I Googled it 1,000 board ft.😁
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Re: Price of a load of pine logs
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2020, 07:19:27 PM »
Gerald,

You are right on.  There are more bf in a single log weighing 5000 pounds that in 20 logs each weighing 250 pounds. 
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Re: Price of a load of pine logs
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2020, 08:53:57 PM »
Yes, the Roman numeral M = 1000.  There is no Roman numeral for a million so MM is commonly used.  


Actually MM seems to be my favorite number.
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MMnMMnMMnMM is Donald Trump saying, "millions and millions and millions and..."😁
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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2020, 08:13:42 AM »
Ive been sawing since 08 but have never ever had to buy logs so please understand my ignorance. Where do I start who do I call about purchasing a load of logs?
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« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2020, 08:46:47 AM »
Anyone in the log business would be a lead.  Loggers, sawmills and equipment dealers are all gonna have industry contacts for you to start calling.  

Hey im so and so over in such and such location, im looking to buy a load of xyz and shopping around for a supplier, can you refer me to anyone? 

You can also put up a little paper ad at the cash register wherever these guys might be.  Saw shop for example. Wanted- pine sawlogs. Call me @...
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« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2020, 09:29:37 AM »
There is a mill in Clinton and another in Morning Star. Both do a fair volume of logs. I'm sure there are others closer to you.
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« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2020, 07:46:58 PM »
It will be difficult to convince a logger to haul you a tractor trailer load of logs unless you have the equipment to unload a truck quickly and efficiently. 
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