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« on: January 03, 2021, 11:11:46 AM »
i want to plant an annual for more tonage on my small field. I was going to do corn and let the cattle rationally graze it but been thinking of getting a chopper and doing sudan or sorghum something like that. I know this is all over the web and Iíve read up on it. Just want to keep it simple and cheap and looking for opinions if anyone one has one. Thanks. 

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Re: Farmers advice
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2021, 11:44:46 AM »
Little bit of innerseeding rye and turnips or radishes Iin my part of the country. I've seen cattle grazed intensively  in corn by walking a hot wire through the rows a little  at a time, guy was using two wires on spools moved them a couple rows at a time as they got eaten.  He didn't chop, just moved the cattle on to it when pasture ran short. I don't know if Sorghum or Sudan  would yield more feed peracre than corn.

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Re: Farmers advice
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2021, 12:15:42 PM »
Thatís why I initial chose corn. And my early snows wonít knock it down. Even if I cut the Sudan sorghum two three times it wonít have as much tonnage?

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« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2021, 12:48:22 PM »
Iíve grown quite a bit of that Sudax and itís impressive in terms of growth rate and volume but thereís not much bulk to it.  Around here itís used mainly to add organics to the soil plus the root system is very good at breaking up clay soils. Iíll be curious to see what you decide to plant. 
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« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2021, 02:37:44 PM »
I have to think you are at the edge of where SudanX will prosper. What about a mix of cereal Rye and a long season forage soybean? Tonnage, protein, and nitrogen at the same time. Plus you can get multiple grazings from both. 
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« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2021, 03:10:48 PM »
Itís grown in the up. A lot of guys grow it here for soil builder. Plow it under. I think it will grow fine just not sure if itís what I want. Cereals wonít get the tonnage per acre. The land is hard to get around here. So I want the most feed that will grow. 

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Re: Farmers advice
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2021, 04:04:50 PM »
i want to plant an annual for more tonage on my small field. I was going to do corn and let the cattle rationally graze it but been thinking of getting a chopper and doing sudan or sorghum something like that. I know this is all over the web and Iíve read up on it. Just want to keep it simple and cheap and looking for opinions if anyone one has one. Thanks.
How many head?    How many acres in the field?    What is growing there now?  
Corn is a lot of expense due to high fertilizer need.    Without knowing any of your circumstances Id say going with silage is a bad choice because it is a whole other line of equipment.    Cool season grass will put out the tonnage.   Just needs fertilizer.

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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2021, 05:13:53 PM »
This is very small time. But want everything in order if and when I get more. I only have 4 head left right now. And I only have tractor and tilliage equipment. I have a good hay source but want to cut cost as much as possible and have a guy just down the road that does custom hay on the side. I already have a cool season field for pasture. And have 10 Iíd like to put in to the annual. Thatís here at my place then Iíll check into some fields around here not being used. So thatís why I want to decide on silage or hay/haylege before I go buy equipment. This is not a money maker mostly a hobby for the ground we have. Maybe more latter I donít know. Iím younge enough. Equipment was another reason I was going to pasture. Just fence. And I donít want to hear this is not worth the hassle for a few head lol i know. But Iím not the type to run before I can walk. 

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« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2021, 05:17:44 PM »
Your county extension agent would have suggestions specific to your area. Good resource and someone you should have on your speed dial. 
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« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2021, 05:39:11 PM »
Everything around here is brome Timothy alfalfa mammoth clover some birdsfoot and so on. The normals. I planted orchard grass pre annual rye and mammoth clover and itís pretty decent. Most years and most crips forages of this type yield 2-4 ton per acre. Corn or sorghum will yield 10-18. Thatís why Iím looking at that. Thereís equipment around here. Thereís one guy that feeds feeders all summer off a small field of straight Sudan. Just green chopps it. By the time he gets across it the start is ready to cut again. But I want winter storied feed also. Also the Sudanís and sorghums are more drought resistan. 

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« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2021, 06:11:26 PM »
So youíre talking about sorghum and not the hybrid?  Iíve never grown that and Iím not familiar with the inputs. Maybe itís a lot less demanding than corn?  Seems like it would be better to stay away from corn based on your equipment and the fertilizer needed for a good corn yield. Howís your rainfall?
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« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2021, 06:17:01 PM »
I really like Bmr sorghum and we put it into 4x5 wrapped balage.It costs us about 5 dollars a bale for the white plastic and 1 dollar for the net wrap per bale .Does your neighbor have a balage round baler and a wrapper .We make about 1500 of it a year and really like the quality of wrapped bale-age
 .Rotational grazing is great if you have the acres and the paddocks with water access and a good long growin season .Our grazing season here is from May until October depending on moisture and temperature.Good luck on your decision 

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« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2021, 06:24:32 PM »
Rain fall is usually good except July and August. His baler is not. But I have another farmer friend that is but has never done it. He is tried and true dry hay only. There cows he says! Lol everyone to there own opinions 😁 Iíd love to just pasture but i donít know if I could make it work. I think a small chopper and a wagon then a small covered pile would be pretty simple. Iíve helped farms do it all on a larger scale. I may try the corn this year in my own ground and see how they graze it. How long how much money and much waste. I planted a field for the deer once with just a disc and broadcast lol  was 4-5 foot with small ears. No fertilizer either. And that was just shell corn. Somethylike that would be cheap and easy to do. 10 acres would feed a few for sure. 

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« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2021, 06:54:31 PM »
We do not plant sorghum until the ground is warm enough which is usually end of May in to early June .Back in the 1990s we planted over 300 acres of sorghum because we had such a wet spring and did not get all the corn planted .Well we started chopping it when it was 30 inches tall and by the time we got through all of it it was 12 feet tall I think it can grow 6 inches a day under Good growing conditions.We ended up buying a new chopper and learned a hard lesson that year.

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« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2021, 07:02:46 PM »
Yeah I wouldnít want to plant a lot. Iíll play it safe and do corn this year. See what happens. Thanks

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« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2021, 09:38:21 PM »
Late to the party, but I plan to plant oats for hay this year.  Just can't find enough good hay.  Have tried the BMR sorghum sedan, millet, but oats is the cows favorite.  They mostly just turn their noses up at the other stuff, and leave half of it in the feeder.  Oats they eat every bite, if you bale it green just after it heads out.  Don't wait and let it start to turn, or you will have to thrash it.  Ask me how I know. I bale alfalfa, prairie hay, brome, about anything that will lay there including wheat straw, but cows prefer alfalfa, early cut brome, and oats over about anything else.  And brome is 3rd on the list.
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« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2021, 09:15:50 PM »
We have a dairy guy in my area that puts oats in cuts them while they are green and bales them or they green chop them. Then they go right in and notill soy beans in the same ground. Works pretty good and the oats makes great cow feed. 

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« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2021, 06:19:53 AM »
Good old timothy hay and not too heavy on clover. Yes, oats to. I seen the neighbors trying to feed 30 head with one round bale of 'weeds', literally, and in fall some corn stalks on a wagon in the evening. Starving. Them cows was always out in other people's fields. His pasture was down to the mud, was terrible dry here. Had to water by trough, was usually knocked over in the day. Very unusual weather.
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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2021, 01:56:12 PM »
Timothy and clover hay for me up here in the northeast. 
Iím averaging 6-7 4x4 round bales to the acre for first cut. 
Newer seeded field and fertilized. 
Thatís pretty decent for around here. 
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« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2021, 06:48:11 PM »
I also plan to plant beans after baling the oats, if we have sufficient moisture to get the beans up.  Seed guy told me you get a boost from the oats in the bean crop, that is if we have enough moisture.  It all depends on rain.
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