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DIY or Nyle
« on: January 13, 2021, 02:50:34 PM »
I'm looking to be able to sterilize my lumber and dry it better. I built the Solar Kiln that everyone has to specs and just not completely satisfied with what I'm getting out of it. Curious if I should just bite the bullet and buy a Nyle 50 and build my own chamber to specs or make my solar kiln into a DIY kiln, with a heater and dehumidifier ? I feel like I know what the answer is but not sure my wallet will like the answer. 

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Re: DIY or Nyle
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2021, 02:53:29 PM »
To me, it depends upon your volume.  If you're not trying to push as much through the solar as possible, then I'd suggest a dual or triple pane glass for the best insulation and add an auxiliary heat source for sterilizing.  That way you're not having to handle the lumber an additional time in and out of a separate sterilization chamber.

Key though is a better insulated solar collector. If you're running only single pane, I think that your heat loss will be too great.

An additional benefit of dual or triple pane glass is that you'll add a couple of more months of effective kiln drying to your solar kiln.
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Re: DIY or Nyle
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2021, 04:00:13 PM »
Just get a Nyle and be done with it.  Start with an inexpensive L53 and your drying problems will be history. 

Itís not quite set it and forget it, but close.  
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Re: DIY or Nyle
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2021, 04:27:22 PM »
Just get a Nyle and be done with it.  Start with an inexpensive L53 and your drying problems will be history.

Itís not quite set it and forget it, but close.  
This is what I was thinking but also wanted to hear it from someone else. 
Do you have an L53, curious on what people really think of it. .  It looks to be a good little setup. 

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Re: DIY or Nyle
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2021, 08:41:45 PM »
I have a solar kiln, an L53 and an L200.  We stated our business with the L53 and it's the best small kiln in its class.  As Stan at Nyle can attest,   @K-Guy , I don't baby my kilns and the L53 is a workhorse.  It's the same as the small WoodMizer kiln, just sold under the WM name.


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Re: DIY or Nyle
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2021, 08:52:00 PM »
I don't baby my kilns


Boy is that ever an understatement.....:D
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Re: DIY or Nyle
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2021, 09:26:09 PM »
I run my L53 hard too.  It is a little wood drying beast as Yellowhammer would say.  Best thing I ever did.  I have dried over 100,000 bf in mine, working on 200,000 now.   
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Re: DIY or Nyle
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2021, 06:49:27 AM »
Get the kiln. I have the L200. I rarely let it come up for air. I wish I had 2 more of them.
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Re: DIY or Nyle
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2021, 08:06:06 AM »
Get the kiln. I have the L200. I rarely let it come up for air. I wish I had 2 more of them.


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Re: DIY or Nyle
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2021, 09:28:49 AM »
I run my L53 hard too.  It is a little wood drying beast as Yellowhammer would say.  Best thing I ever did.  I have dried over 100,000 bf in mine, working on 200,000 now. 
I checked out your website. Looks like you have a great setup!

 Do you do this full time? I got into this all as a hobby and its turning into more of a job. Its a job that I love but the workload has defiantly picked up. I'm just hoping that this investment for the Kiln will pay off, I'm sure it will. About 70%of the people I have cut for so far want the lumber dried. And everyone buying slabs or lumber want it dried. 

2nd question for you all, should I just convert my solar kiln into a box for the Nyle kiln for the time being and after a couple years build one to specs or should I just build the Kiln box right away. 

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Re: DIY or Nyle
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2021, 10:12:05 AM »
should I just convert my solar kiln into a box for the Nyle kiln for the time being and after a couple years build one to specs or should I just build the Kiln box right away. 

Check out our chamber plans to see if modifying is possible. Most find it better to build a new chamber as the requirements are different. L53 manual(with plans) link below
https://www.nyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/NDK-L53-Manual-2020-V4.0.pdf
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Re: DIY or Nyle
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2021, 10:38:24 AM »
I would keep the solar kiln and build a new chamber for the NYLE. This way you end up with two units and can let the solar kiln reduce the turn around time for the NYLE. 
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Re: DIY or Nyle
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2021, 03:43:57 PM »
I will reiterate what everyone else has said. My dad and Gramps ran a household dehumidifier in their kiln for many years. It worked fine until quality of dehumidifiers started taking a dump and we were going through a new one every 3-4 loads. I started researching here and learned of the Nyle L53. I talked Dad into trying one and we would never go back. The ability to actually control the drying rate of the lumber in the kiln has resulted in much less defects due to drying our hardwoods too quickly. 

You're a bit further South than I am, but make sure you read up on posts by @YellowHammer regarding kiln container construction and most importantly insulating. Just remember you want the inside to be sealed as if it was a swimming pool. As a hobby/part time career, you will make your money back very quickly.

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Re: DIY or Nyle
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2021, 09:05:01 PM »
The key to an excellent performing DH kiln is a dedicated, designed, optimized and built for the task, DH kiln chamber.  

The long term expense of a DH kiln is electricity, and every BTU used or wasted can add up.  A solar kiln is not optimized to perform as a DH kiln.  Whatever insulation used in the solar kiln...double it. Whatever floor used in the solar kiln...flatten and strengthen it.  Whatever roof used in a solar kiln...rip it off and completely rebuild it.  Whatever doors and seals used in a solar kiln...replace them.  

Whatever money saved trying to salvage will quickly be burned in wasted electricity and sloppy performance of the DH kiln.  

So keep using the solar and build and commission a new DH kiln.  Then use each for what they are best at.

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If it wonít roll, its not a log; itís still a piece of tree.  Sawmills cut logs, not pieces of trees.

Kiln drying wood: When the cookies are burned, theyíre burned, and you canít fix them.  Donít burn the cookies.

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Re: DIY or Nyle
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2021, 09:50:09 PM »
Do you do this full time?
Yes I do.  Keeps me wide open. 
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Re: DIY or Nyle
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2021, 09:19:08 AM »
@Jstier 

Our L200 chamber plans are in the manual (link below) also we have some equipment setup videos on our Nyle Systems YouTube channel as KilnTech.

https://www.nyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/NDK-L200-Manual-2021-V4.2.pdf

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Re: DIY or Nyle
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2021, 10:34:50 AM »
I like @Southside idea of keeping the solar to keep using some of the free energy to get you close and then build another unit to be a DH kiln.  I went the route just like you are talking.  I built a 10x16 shed and insulated with R13(mistake).  I have since added extra insulation with 2" polyiso.  I use fans and a heater and a residential DH for now.  I have come to the conclusion that I will do this for a while and then purchase an L53 down the road.  I will need to do a little more insulation work, by adding polyiso to the floor and a few more wall areas.  Then I will have a much better, more efficient kiln.
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Re: DIY or Nyle
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2021, 01:46:51 PM »
What size chamber will the L 53 handle?
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Re: DIY or Nyle
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2021, 02:56:13 PM »

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The largest chamber Nyle recommends is 8' D x 8' H x 13'W.
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« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2021, 06:19:22 PM »

@farmfromkansas

The largest chamber Nyle recommends is 8' D x 8' H x 13'W.
If I put an L53 in my building, I will partition it off to meet the recommended volume.
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