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« on: February 10, 2021, 07:52:41 PM »
i guess when you donít have a trailer yet and your new machine is sitting in the dealers shop for 6 weeks they will deliver it 240 miles to get it out 😂

 

 

   

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« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2021, 08:07:11 PM »
 
<b.  There has been discussion about tracks in snow and there not all created equal. Iíve said before in discussions with these 20Ē wide tracks and 15Ē + of ground clearance that in very deep snow you only sink so far down and float right over the top. Iíve done this with 6-8í drifts.  This snow in the picture is only 14Ē deep but as you can see where I walked I went deeper. Same thing in soft soils and mud

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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2021, 09:52:04 PM »
 :o 

Wowwwwwww

Impressive piece of machinery. Have heard ASVís struggle past 1000 hours with detracking but I have never run an ASV. Sure is a slick looking machine.


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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2021, 10:22:49 PM »
Actually ASV is the only one with the no derailment guarantee. Two year warranty or 2,000 hr warranty which ever comes first.  If your mulching full time with the unit then about 2,500 hrs and you might want to get in a new one. Or be spending money fixing The machine will be fine doing everything else many hours after that but mulching is full throttle. Basically in the mulching machines of any size is about 1,000 per horsepower. A friend of mine bought two new PrimeTech 175s and thatís a steel track dedicated machine. Itís pretty awesome but has a awesome price of 260,000 but around 5,000 hrs before you should have to start spending some big money repairing 

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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2021, 11:24:07 PM »
A nice big crystal clear backup camera thatís mounted right in front of you above your head is pretty handy even to notice things when your going forward 

 

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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2021, 11:25:50 PM »
ASV's float when others don't. They are more maintenance for sure but they flat outperform other track u/c's imo. I've spent a fair amount of seat time in both. The old models like the 4810 were known for losing tracks, but I never had an issue with the newer ones.
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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2021, 11:26:43 PM »
BTW, sweet machine, Walnut Beast! I can PM you my address so you can drop it off sometime 😁
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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2021, 11:39:00 PM »
Thanks barbender. Unfortunately I canít do that because Iím still waiting for my Diamond C gooseneck to come in 😂

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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2021, 11:51:07 PM »
Sweeeet...... Nice, congratulations, looks ready to go, like the added winch on the rear. 8)

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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2021, 07:15:35 AM »
Very nice
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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2021, 08:08:06 AM »
That thing is too nice to use. There are a lot of questions about track machines in snow. I remember when I got my old 310 case, if I got in wet snow mixed with chainsaw sawdust it was over.

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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2021, 08:45:05 AM »
Quite a nice machine.   The shielding looks to be an improvement over my 110F, stronger on the sides and more accessible on the back.  My luck the dangling hook on the winch would catch on something and bring me to a stop.  The camera is great.  I still want to put one on mine.  Enjoy.
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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2021, 08:50:43 AM »
  Snow is itís own beast to operate in with a light crawler. Long ago but not too far away I worked in a sawmill that used a nearly new 1010 Deere crawler/loader with forks as a yard machine. Load the deck with logs and move packs of lumber out to the yard. The mill was on a side hill with the log deck at ground level and the tail section up about 10í in the air. Backing away from the mill with a pack of lumber, the back of the crawler would ride up on the snow. Iíd only be able to back up maybe the length of the machine before I would have to go ahead a bit to bring it back down. Jockey around like that 3-4 times before I could get far enough away from the mill to turn and travel forward. 
  Tossed the slabs down into a KB-6 dump truck. Even with triple side chains on, that was a job to get over to the slab pile and back.
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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2021, 08:59:58 AM »
that each track frame has 4 groups of rubber rocker bogies like a torflex is the only thing i can find different about an ASV bottom vs a conventional fixed roller track frame.  so i guess thats what it is.. the bogies are walking beams on the inside and outside.  id guess it doesn't let the track droop down and loose contact with the roller flange so it has a lot less chance of being walked off sideways.  a rock will push one segment of rollers up but the walking beam nature forces the other rollers down so they're gonna keep that flange in contact with the rib inside the track. 
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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2021, 09:47:50 AM »
Nice!  I could find lots of projects  for that.  

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« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2021, 11:42:06 AM »
that each track frame has 4 groups of rubber rocker bogies like a torflex is the only thing i can find different about an ASV bottom vs a conventional fixed roller track frame.  so i guess thats what it is.. the bogies are walking beams on the inside and outside.  id guess it doesn't let the track droop down and loose contact with the roller flange so it has a lot less chance of being walked off sideways.  a rock will push one segment of rollers up but the walking beam nature forces the other rollers down so they're gonna keep that flange in contact with the rib inside the track.
I have no experience with either type, but reading about it, I understand the tracks are different. The floating bogies use a solid rubber track - no steel in the center. You'll notice the drive "sprocket" is not a traditional type. so the track hugs the ground better, but don't last as long nor as rugged as the steel composite ones with fixed rollers.
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« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2021, 11:50:55 AM »
Quite a nice machine.   The shielding looks to be an improvement over my 110F, stronger on the sides and more accessible on the back.  My luck the dangling hook on the winch would catch on something and bring me to a stop.  The camera is great.  I still want to put one on mine.  Enjoy.
Here is the company out of Washington that makes the cool top and side shielding (no ASV is not that generous 😂). Like I was telling you the fans are moved from underneath and put in the housing then you just unbolt and open on the hinged part then blow out. I havenít opened mine yet but this picture of it open helps show you.  Several guys that run say they work very slick to open and blow the condenser out. On the winch that rod in the middle is to attach the hook
 


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« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2021, 12:20:53 PM »
that each track frame has 4 groups of rubber rocker bogies like a torflex is the only thing i can find different about an ASV bottom vs a conventional fixed roller track frame.  so i guess thats what it is.. the bogies are walking beams on the inside and outside.  id guess it doesn't let the track droop down and loose contact with the roller flange so it has a lot less chance of being walked off sideways.  a rock will push one segment of rollers up but the walking beam nature forces the other rollers down so they're gonna keep that flange in contact with the rib inside the track.
With the open design on the track debris that gets in there gets cleaned or kicked out. This track design is proven and hasnít been changed in years. There are zero issues on these tracks coming off these machines. Just a note ASV tracks donít use steel in their tracks. They use some special formulation of compounds in the rubber, pre stretch the rubber and some type of stretch and puncture resistant fabric in them as well

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« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2021, 03:00:37 PM »
To say "zero issues" with the tracks coming off is a tough/impossible statement to stand behind. 2 months back a mechanic buddy of mine was laying in the snow and muck putting a track back on an ASV mulcher for a ROW contractor. Machine had 150 hours of use, was on a slippery side hill when a log got wedged just right and the track walked off.

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« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2021, 03:05:37 PM »
Very nice!  Should be a great mulching unit, what head will you put on that?  Do you have any issues with rock?  

I love that screen, hope the cameras are easy to replace or fix the lenses. I'd love to have something in our skidsteer :(, one of my big gripes.
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« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2021, 03:25:41 PM »
Absolutely things can happen 😂 But in general no they donít have problems with them coming off even on the steep slopes thatís a fact. A friend of mine sold ASV and was the number one and two dealer in the nation for years. Would by 10 machines at a time cash. And yes they had a service department. Iím well aware of the problems and if they where owners lack of maintenance ( not adjusting track tension or greasing.) or neglect on anything else. Even when everything is under warranty on the machine for two years or 2000 hrs I still need to do maintenance 

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« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2021, 03:31:52 PM »
The biggest issues they had several years ago was some bad batches of the torsion axles that had to be replaced 

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« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2021, 03:49:34 PM »
The biggest issues they had several years ago was some bad batches of the torsion axles that had to be replaced
I think anyone that has followed your post on ASVs should know that you are well versed in the good and bad of the suspension systems on that brand.  You bought so I'm sure you are confident you will be ok.  I'm just curious as to the mulcher head you'd run.  I'm partial to FAE but I've sold ours, it was actually the subsoiling/mulching head- pto powered.  Took too big a platform and our 20k lb tractor was just getting beat up pulling it.   Sold the tractor with it.   I'd like to have a CMI 250 but $$$$$$$
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« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2021, 03:51:15 PM »
Very nice!  Should be a great mulching unit, what head will you put on that?  Do you have any issues with rock?  

I love that screen, hope the cameras are easy to replace or fix the lenses. I'd love to have something in our skidsteer :(, one of my big gripes.
Probably leaning toward a Prinoth head that takes varies teeth. Cutter teeth that you can sharpen and various carbides for rocky soil and different conditions. You can run both on the head and some do. A friend that bought two PrimeTech dedicated mulchers said I think your going to regret buying the Prinoth. So Iím deciding on FAE sonic head also. Itís got some new type of electronics that work with your machine like a transmission on the head when it gets loaded. He said it works awesome. The Dennis Cimaf company has been sold after he passed and bought a couple times since and I heard the quality is not even  close to what it was. You definitely want to make a good decision on these heads of this caliber range when there 36-42k 

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« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2021, 04:12:53 PM »
Very nice!  Should be a great mulching unit, what head will you put on that?  Do you have any issues with rock?  

I love that screen, hope the cameras are easy to replace or fix the lenses. I'd love to have something in our skidsteer :(, one of my big gripes.
Probably leaning toward a Prinoth head that takes varies teeth. Cutter teeth that you can sharpen and various carbides for rocky soil and different conditions. You can run both on the head and some do. A friend that bought two PrimeTech dedicated mulchers said I think your going to regret buying the Prinoth. So Iím deciding on FAE sonic head also. Itís got some new type of electronics that work with your machine like a transmission on the head when it gets loaded. He said it works awesome. The Dennis Cimaf company has been sold after he passed and bought a couple times since and I heard the quality is not even  close to what it was. You definitely want to make a good decision on these heads of this caliber range when there 36-42k
Didn't know he'd passed on, he really pushed the state of the art in heads.  A cimaf head on an excavator was a popular choice for many.  I also didn't know about the FAE sonic, have to read up on that.  Like you said, a $40k decision that will go a long way to keeping you happy or not.  We've got rock everywhere, all sorts.  Some is pretty soft, then a streak of igneous rock that will shatter teeth.
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« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2021, 04:15:52 PM »
There is a guy down In Oklahoma that has a new system that FAE claims he stole or copied from them of there sonic system and his company is Mastodon.com. The system he has looks pretty impressive with a small touch screen monitor that goes in your cab with various information and adjustments. The 160cc Parker pump acts like a variable transmission on a and a new tooth design he has a patent on. He said he backs his head and will put it up against anything. I might have to take a trip down there. The owner Patrick is proud, confident and firm on 43k on the head and monitor. 



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« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2021, 06:45:40 PM »
I'm guessing the head uses a variable displacement motor that reduces displacement (straightens the swash plate) as the drum speed falls off?
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« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2021, 06:55:30 PM »
For that price you could buy two Virnigs and set them up with different teeth for stony or clean conditions. My experience is that the first set of teeth doesn't last as long as the second (good judgment comes from experience and experience comes from bad judgment).  If you really want to see sparks,  hit a piece of steel.
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« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2021, 10:49:02 AM »
ASV's float when others don't. They are more maintenance for sure but they flat outperform other track u/c's imo. I've spent a fair amount of seat time in both. The old models like the 4810 were known for losing tracks, but I never had an issue with the newer ones.
I purchased a 4810 new maybe around 2003 or so. I experienced 7 track derailments in the first 70 hours of ownership. Needless to say, I was *pithed. Try getting a track back on in a swamp or a steep hillside - it really SUCKED. The manufacturer finally sent me an anti-derailment kit that solved the inner derailments, for the most part. Nothing but constant track issues and it cost more to rebuild that UC than a D6. 3 sets of tracks in a little over 2k hrs. You had to be very careful how and where you ran that machine. Sharp flint rock and rubber tracks don't mix well, or any rock for that matter. The machine made me a lot of money but it was a real maintenance hog. Like a boat, the best days of my ownership were purchase and sell days.

It was a stout machine with great lifting capacity and low ground pressure. I could do things with that machine that no other machine could attempt when it came to swamp work. I also knew it as the "PITCH & PUKE" machine because I got sick to my stomach in that thing so many times. Watching a wall of green in front of you falling to the ground endlessly while traversing over rough terrain would always bring out my motion sickness.

I've run some of the newer ASVs and they are much improved. If they could side hill up to 30-35 degrees, they would be a much better machine.  But, for my line of work, they are too small and not well suited to forestry abuse. If I was looking at small machines, if the track system is better than it was, I would add them to the shopping list and start reading specs.
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« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2021, 03:26:26 PM »
 

 

 A guy out on the other end of the state runs 4 ASV RT 120s, Prentice mulcher, and two big excavators. What I hear from guys that run multiple smaller machines vs one dedicated is the speed and productivity they are getting jobs done 

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« Reply #30 on: February 19, 2021, 11:56:02 PM »
Nativewolf this is a Prinoth head that Iím leaning toward on a Lamtrac 6140 or 70. Itís a bite limiter that will take teeth to sharpen and carbides. It I was in rocky terrain this head wouldnít be the one. It would be a different rotor that would take some different variations of carbides

 

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« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2021, 12:26:57 AM »
 Snow is itís own beast to operate in with a light crawler. Long ago but not too far away I worked in a sawmill that used a nearly new 1010 Deere crawler/loader with forks as a yard machine. Load the deck with logs and move packs of lumber out to the yard. The mill was on a side hill with the log deck at ground level and the tail section up about 10í in the air. Backing away from the mill with a pack of lumber, the back of the crawler would ride up on the snow. Iíd only be able to back up maybe the length of the machine before I would have to go ahead a bit to bring it back down. Jockey around like that 3-4 times before I could get far enough away from the mill to turn and travel forward.
  Tossed the slabs down into a KB-6 dump truck. Even with triple side chains on, that was a job to get over to the slab pile and back.
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