Covid-19 Vaccine Side Effects survey

[doc henderson]

things are picking up here again.  13 out of 14 cases in past week are unvaccinated, and all are the delta variant. the vaccinated patient is over 100 years old.  will start up weekly covid task force meeting on the 2nd of august.  I will attend just prior to pulling out for the pigroast.

[HemlockKing]

things are picking up here again.  13 out of 14 cases in past week are unvaccinated, and all are the delta variant. the vaccinated patient is over 100 years old.  will start up weekly covid task force meeting on the 2nd of august.  I will attend just prior to pulling out for the pigroast.

100! Holy smokes. Hope they pull through it.  

[Larry]

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. – Gov. Asa Hutchinson said Thursday that he is reinstating a public health emergency for the state of Arkansas as COVID-19 cases skyrocket and that he is bringing back the legislature for a special session to consider amending a state law banning mask mandates to allow for schools to set their own guidelines.

The governor said his main reason for implementing the state of emergency, which still needs approval by the Arkansas Legislative Council, is the current status of hospitals in the state.

"I believe today it was four covid patients that are waiting in ambulances to find a hospital to go to that constitutes an emergency and a public health crisis," he explained.

Better than 96% with covid in the hospital are un-vaccinated.

[bannerd]

Vit Cdoes not treat or cure Covid.  Period  

It's really up to the immune system to cure anything viral or bacterial..I would like to reference;
(OMNS Mar 3, 2020) The government of Shanghai, China has announced its official recommendation that COVID-19 should be treated with high amounts of intravenous vitamin C. (1) Dosage recommendations vary with severity of illness, from 50 to 200 milligrams per kilogram body weight per day to as much as 200 mg/kg/day.

These dosages are approximately 4,000 to 16,000 mg for an adult, administered by IV. This specific method of administration is important, says intravenous therapy expert Atsuo Yanagisawa, MD, PhD, because vitamin C's effect is at least ten times more powerful by IV than if taken orally. Dr. Yanagisawa is president of the Tokyo-based Japanese College of Intravenous Therapy. He says, "Intravenous vitamin C is a safe, effective, and broad-spectrum antiviral."

Labeled wrong... not true (why? Question it? Email the DR and ask them?)

https://infinitehealth.biz/uploads/Coronavirus.pdf

http://www.drwlc.com/blog/category/covid-19-vit-c-and-integrative-medicine/

Sessions here with doctors will tell you, "If I keep giving you vitamin c, how can I make any money off of you?"  We can't ignore it when people are using this stuff out in the field with success.  It's black and white, licking sand will cure covid.. how far will research take that (salts, quarts, possible protein in the sand might have benefit?)  I can guarantee you it will not have the same amount of research looking forward as to something that has been used with results.  Results will vary.  At the end of the days it's about getting home to your family, we can't just set things aside and say we did everything we could.  Don't administer vitamin C... it hasn't been research enough?  It's been used for 1000's of years.  Tomorrow we will use an unapproved drug that has ten years of research and we will recommend it.  I digress.

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[doctorb]

I would be happy to send you a list of randomized controlled studies, including those from China, that have shown no or minimal effect with Vit C. I do note that the references you provided are all prior to March 2020, when the rest of the world was just beginning to encounter Covid.  Much well done research outside of China has not backed up those early claims since that time.

I have no problem, however, with a patient receiving this therapy.  And I have no issue with the generally accepted concept that Vit C is a overall booster of immune response.  But the science is what it is.  If I were in an ICU, might I ask for it?  Maybe, but probably not.   But, when you get that sick you tend to get into the "kitchen sink" mentality, and throw everything you can at the disease whether you know it works or not.  You follow up with the "It can't hurt" philosophy and you can add all kinds of things to the mix, including Hydrochloroquine.  Pretty soon you are taking 50 supplements and meds per day that have no proven effect on your outcome.

Most docs have seen this trend in their practices for years.  I fall on the side of science, and I'm ready to accept changes in science as they occur.  If Vit C is proven effective against Covid, I'll be the first to say I was incorrect.  I have no skin in this game except hoping that this dang disease goes away ASAP.

[Paul_H]

Better than 96% with covid in the hospital are un-vaccinated.

DocumentCloud

Approximately three quarters (346; 74%) of cases occurred in fully vaccinated persons (those who had completed a 2-dose course of mRNA vaccine [Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna] or had received a single dose of Janssen [Johnson & Johnson] vac- cine ≥14 days before exposure)

10%) specimens. Among the 469 cases in Massachusetts residents, 346 (74%) occurred in persons who were fully vaccinated; of these, 301 (87%) were male, with a median age of 42 years. Vaccine products received by persons experiencing breakthrough infec- tions were Pfizer-BioNTech (159; 46%), Moderna (131; 38%), and Janssen (56; 16%); among fully vaccinated persons in the Massachusetts general population, 56% had received Pfizer- BioNTech, 38% had received Moderna, and 7% had received Janssen vaccine products. Among persons with breakthrough infection, 274 (79%) reported signs or symptoms, with the most common being cough, headache, sore throat, myalgia, and fever. Among fully vaccinated symptomatic persons, the median interval from completion of ≥14 days after the final vac- cine dose to symptom onset was 86 days (range = 6–178 days). Among persons with breakthrough infection, four (1.2%) were hospitalized, and no deaths were reported. Real-time RT-PCR Ct values in specimens from 127 fully vaccinated patients (median = 22.77) were similar to those among 84 patients who were unvaccinated

Just putting this up for scrutiny

[doc henderson]

I have already said the out of 14 patients this past week, with covid, 13 were unvaccinated, and the one that was, was over 100years old.  we accepted 3 transfers from dodge city Ks today with covid, all from people in the meat packing industry from an area of few vaccinated patients.  all hospitals within 100 miles are now on diversion.  My best friend (best man in our wedding, fellow pediatrician) had a dad that had also wanted to be a doc.  he became the president of the printers union in NY, and had worked at the Albany times union.  He started reading all these books filled with "studies".  One was called the cure for all cancers, and basically had natural cures for every cancer.  It stated that docs did not want people to know because they could make tons of money on chemo therapy.  A sequel book called the cure for all diseases stated cures for diabetes were ignored by traditional docs cause the surgeons made more money cuttings off peoples legs.  the studies were testimonial based on personal experience using natural methods.  no study at all.  gossip. this is ridiculous!  He would go into the hospital to visit friend and relative and slip the a natural cure and when they got out tell everyone that his intervention prob. saved their lives.  all in his head.  he candles my ear once as I had an external otitis, and he caught my hair on fire, but did not help my disease ( I was trying to be open minded).  A natural doc I knew (dead now, smoked 3 packs a day)  would call a pre cancer like myelodysplasia (a potential precancer) cancer and then tell the patient they were cured with natural meds.  this is the old snake oil sales.  I do not make money from drug sales.  and get paid by the hour and no different if I do a life saving procedure or not.  of course I do the life saving procedure based on the need of the patient.  

[doctorb]

Paul-

Both Larry and the report you quote are probably accurate.  The vast majority of severe infections and deaths from Covid currently are in the unvaccinated.  This report was done in Massachusetts, where there is a very high percentage of vaccinated people.   It is not surprising that a very high percentage of people attending these gatherings were vaccinated.  As they tested for breakthrough Covid infections, one would expect the data to show those people with positive tests had a higher percentage of vaccinated versus unvaccinated.  

Hypothetical:   1000 people are at an event. 900 are vaccinated and 100 are not.  300 of the vaccinated attendees test positive for Covid and 50 of the unvaccinated test positive.   Therefore....85% (300/350 total +tests) of the positive tests were in vaccinated people and the non-vaccinated accounted for 15%. This is the exact same scenario as in this report and explains the difference in what Larry was saying, and doc Henderson just said, and the numbers reported in this recent report.

It is notable that only 1.2% of the breakthrough infections in vaccinated people were hospitalized and there were no deaths in the vaccinated population.

[Paul_H]

Thank you I appreciate the input.

[doc henderson]

The reality is i just got home after 14.5 hours and no beds for a hundred + miles, and 4 people to admit in the ED.  7 day old baby, covid +, checking to see if it is a false + by rechecking and check both parents.  calling in administrators.  tuff to find staff already overworked, on the weekend.  this is the reason 

[doctorb]

Doc h:

Appreciate your front line straightforward view.

[Ianab]

2 days after getting 1st Pfizer shot. 

Day 1 my arm was a little sore, but nothing I'd worry about. But I was feeling very tired. Day 2, back to normal and arm is coming right. So I'm going with "very minor". 

I think what happens with the Vitamin C idea is that it's completely true that being deficient in various vitamins or minerals can certainly lower your immune response, and even cause specific diseases. But that doesn't necessarily mean that giving extra doses boosts immunity to above "normal". It's like how they gave pilots in WW2 carrot juice to try and improve their night vision. It's true that lack of Vitamin C causes a person to loose vision, but it didn't matter how many carrots they drank, a healthy person's vision didn't get any better. It didn't do any harm as it's just carrots, apart from turning you slightly Orange, they won't poison you. 

I suspect that if you compared Vit C levels in patients, people with low levels are quite likely to fare worse on average, as they are technically malnourished. But that's not the same as Carrots curing Covid. I wish it was that simple, and I bet the Dr's do too. 

[SwampDonkey]

The cancer quacks are still allowed to operate without proven results from tested methods by 3rd parties. It's not just cancer, even eyesight, they claim some concoction will give you site. They prey on people willing to try anything in desperation.

How many books did Kevin Trudeau sell "Natural Cures they don't want you to know about"? His next book was about becoming wealthy, no joke.....but. :D

Man, you see these special guests on talk shows and infomercials all the time to sell a book. You'll read some dirty secret in their book. Reminds me of the fall fair, all them scam games to take your money. :D

[HemlockKing]

2 days after getting 1st Pfizer shot.

Day 1 my arm was a little sore, but nothing I'd worry about. But I was feeling very tired. Day 2, back to normal and arm is coming right. So I'm going with "very minor".

I think what happens with the Vitamin C idea is that it's completely true that being deficient in various vitamins or minerals can certainly lower your immune response, and even cause specific diseases. But that doesn't necessarily mean that giving extra doses boosts immunity to above "normal". It's like how they gave pilots in WW2 carrot juice to try and improve their night vision. It's true that lack of Vitamin C causes a person to loose vision, but it didn't matter how many carrots they drank, a healthy person's vision didn't get any better. It didn't do any harm as it's just carrots, apart from turning you slightly Orange, they won't poison you.

I suspect that if you compared Vit C levels in patients, people with low levels are quite likely to fare worse on average, as they are technically malnourished. But that's not the same as Carrots curing Covid. I wish it was that simple, and I bet the Dr's do too.

To be honest I've always wondered where the saying "eat your carrots to keep your eyesight" came from, now I know.

[doc henderson]

It was sad, as my buddy who is a great doc, had to endure his Dads comments.  not only did he begin to believe the cures and tout them like a doctor (that he always wanted to be) but if you did not agree, he was programed to then think you were one of the doctors that just wanted to somehow secretly make more money with traditional medicine.  I have too many stories about patients that suffered due to putting faith in the al-natural when there was a proven treatment available.  with covid, we are starting to figure some things out, but it is new.  many things are assumed based on knowledge surrounding this family of viruses.  I had many a meal at his parents house and they treated me like family.  the tradition was to go for breakfast any Saturday morning I was off.  It started with his dad recommending a shot of vinegar "and you will live forever"  to later sneaking walnut oil extract into a hospital room and giving it to a friend awaiting gallbladder surgery.  He would tell us it made the person pass the stone and created a lot of pain, but that the person then really did not need the surgery so the doc did it to make the money.  the doc never new of the remedy the patient was given.  so it can get dangerous.  It is true some nutrients from carrots were thought to be good for eye sight, but it is not like all the kids that did not like carrots went blind.  

[Don P]

But it worked, my mother made "Shine your eyes salad" back in the days of jello molds. Orange jello with grated carrots in it. I could see great at night. Hmm maybe that'll fix things, I haven't had any in years  .

[doc henderson]

well she got you to eat some carrots anyway!    I can remember working up babies for jaundice in the NICU only to find the orange baby drinking breast milk from a mom who was a vegan.  mom eating lots of yams and carrots, will turn a preemie orange, like in Willy Wonka.  

[firefighter ontheside]

I am now fully vaccinated for Anthrax, so I got that going for me.  My arm hurts though.

[Peter Drouin]

My arm is still sore from the shot. :

[Okrafarmer]

The human body is a very very complex thing, that nobody fully understands, even those who devote their entire life to it. There are so many factors that go into health--and disease--that it is very difficult to wade through the details and try to make sense of it on some level. 

Some basic things that can be variables:

1. Genetics (a. healthy normal genetic variables, b. mutated genetic variables)
2. Nutrition (a very broad topic with many parts)
3. Exercise and personal lifestyle and activities
4. Toxins taken into the body through various methods
5. Natural and/or augmented immune system function (including environmental factors)
6. Physical trauma (also including radiation and similar external stimuli)
7. Mental/psychological/spiritual input
8. Climate and environment
9. Exposure to pathogens and parasites

And possibly I missed some.

My wife had a very disturbing neurological condition. Her health went downhill very rapidly. To the point she could barely walk, and was losing the ability to drive safely. Our MD referred her to many different therapists and specialists in our area, none of whom could figure out her problem. Finally, he referred her to go down to the Medical University of South Carolina, arguably the most prestigious and elite hospital in our state. She had been in a wheelchair for about three years by that point. We had to drive down to Charleston, 4 hours away, stay at a hotel overnight, etc.

The doctor at MUSC looked my wife over, and said she had no help for her. She said my wife definitely had a real neurological condition, and it was likely to get worse. She could not diagnose what the problem was. She could not recommend a course of treatment. She could not think of any tests to discover anything new about it. She literally said she did not understand why our doctor had sent us down there.

To say that ground our gears was accurate. In absolute disappointment, we spent an hour or two at the beach (it was very difficult to get her down to the water), and headed home. 

At that point, we started thinking about acting on the recommendation of a friend, to go see a specific holistic doctor in our area. We were very skeptical. We also didn't have out of pocket cash to dole out for speculative snake oil stuff. Somebody gave us the money to go for the first appointment, though. The holistic doctor said my wife had several ailments combining to cause her problem, probably the most significant of which was meningitis. (None of the MD's had suggested doing a spinal tap. If they had, maybe they would have discovered this. Makes me wonder why they didn't).

My wife took the simplistic supplemental treatments for seven days. On the seventh night she felt worse than ever. Then on the eight morning, she got out of bed healed. She celebrated by taking a half mile walk. That was two years ago. The wheelchair is gathering dust in our shed. Hundreds of people who know my wife are astounded by the night and day difference. Recently, this same doctor also cured my daughter's medium-severe peanut allergies. Since then, she has helped many of our friends with many of their ailments. She CAN NOT cure everything. But many things she can. She has also taught my wife many of the basics of how to diagnose and even treat some of these things at home. This too, is science. It is repeatable and formulaic. We still go to the MD for some things. Especially traumatic injuries. Thank God, we have not gotten Covid, though we have not (and will not) be jabbed. That is not to say we can't get it. I'm sure we could, and we may. We have certainly been exposed to it. My wife's father died with it in January (he had many underlying conditions, including a previous lung injury). My wife and son took some symptoms about the time her dad caught it, but they were over their minor symptoms within a couple days. I got a quick sniffle, and was past it. Covid is a serious situation. People are dying from it and with it. But there is a lot to it. I have personal spiritual convictions keeping me in the (quite large) camp of people not interested in the jabs. But it's okay. To each his/her own. One of my good friends is a career-long RN nurse. She took retirement earlier than necessary this summer to avoid being forced to take the medication. She told me she won't take it under any circumstances. There are a good number of medical professionals who agree with her, and I have other friends whose family members are literally losing their jobs as a result. But everyone must make their own decisions, and I respect that.

[SwampDonkey]

For Canada, here are the reported numbers of adverse effects. Noting 0.011 percent of 60M doses. And you can see the traditional vaccines are not excluded in adverse events, in fact you can see more AstraZeneca (viral vector based vaccine) reports of any vaccine. Still very rare percentages.

COVID-19 vaccine safety: Weekly report on side effects following immunization - Canada.ca

[Stephen1]

For Canada, here are the reported numbers of adverse effects. Noting 0.011 percent of 60M doses. And you can see the traditional vaccines are not excluded in adverse events, in fact you can see more AstraZeneca (viral vector based vaccine) reports of any vaccine. Still very rare percentages.

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccine-safety

I am not able to access through the link. 

[mike_belben]

yesterday i bought a bush hog and had to bring my kids, i told him from a distance when i got there that my boy was positive for covid a week ago, he is doing fine now and i never got it but im gonna keep them in the truck and stay away from you and not take any chances getting your kid sick, etc cool?  he was thankful and we got to talkin awhile as i loaded it myself which took quite a bit.

he's a  31 yr old healthy athlete who had covid go thru him and his wife but not the 2yr old daughter.  he lost his taste and smell which comes and goes in waves. now with phantom smells and stuff like that which my wife also experienced.  they all had moderna jab and boosters since, my wife got 1 round of vax forced by employer but i dont know which brand.  this is not about reactions to vaccine but what im gonna tell you is important.

my wife and this guy both lost smell and taste.  he has since been having really severe twitches and shudders, definitely uncontrolled and he cant feel most of them.. i asked if he had turrets but does not, just little nervous ticks that are way worse now.  well, my wife has been diagnosed with a "demyelinating disease" that will likely be narrowed down to MS or something thats very similar to it but lesser known by the public,  and has had bouts of optic neuritis that took her vision during inflammatory flare ups.  it has come back, but it will degrade with each bout as the immune system eats the myelin sheath off the optic nerve.  the myelin on the brain stem is also attacked which is where the shakes come from.   im confident this guy will degenerate over time as well and eventually when severe enough, a few months waiting for a neurologist will give him a rubber stamp disease and send him home to deal with it on his own which has been our experience in the system.  falling apart at the seams and waiting months for a pro to give you a piece of paper with only a few words on it you can even understand.

so in both my wife and this guy's case, it is natural to chalk all kinds of side effects up to lasting reverberations of covid when its not.  viruses cause disease and it appears to me that most of our chronic diseases are underlying conditions from long term diet, exercise, sleep, environmental factors, low dose toxins and so forth.   if youve had covid a while ago and are experiencing all sorts of after effects, dont just write them off.  the virus should come and go pretty fast for you is my personal conclusion.  any extras you have lingering on should be looked into pretty quickly.  and dont be surprised if your medical provider brushes it off or sends you home with a tylenol or two cookies to get out of his/her face.  i mean dig into it yourself because no one cares about your health more than you.

smell, taste and vision loss should be taken very seriously.   if youve experienced them start learning about the dietary elements prone to causing inflammation because inflammation is a major issue in demyelinating events.  i have seen my wife go from fantastic to almost shock over one piece of food.  it was one cheat day after a month of strict whole 30 that caused her to go blind for a few days.  that gets real expensive real fast. i wanted to keep her situation private but i feel like not speaking up is helping other people down the road to misery.

[SwampDonkey]

@Stephen1 Try the link now. It was missing the end of the url.

[WV Sawmiller]

   Maybe some whiz kid doctor can modify the Covid virus to just remove the sense of smell in old women so they don't complain about old men farting in the sheets at night. :D No telling how many marriages would be saved. :