Anyone remember Barker Saws?

Jeff · October 13, 2003, 03:46:23 PM

Kevin, we will have to lean on Noble for this, but I think this saw aint that old. I think it was one of thier later or maybe last models. Maybe early 1960's late 50s at the oldest.

Kevin · October 13, 2003, 05:31:06 PM

Noble, prepare for some serious

ing up.

Bro. Noble · October 13, 2003, 06:28:45 PM

Well, maybe i'll go up to the shop tomorrow and see what kind of carbs and parts I can find, if I'm not too busy, or too tired, or I don't forget. Maybe I'll wait till next week, cause it's a long time till Santy time ;D

I'm afraid that the carbs we have are for chainsaws, but I'm not sure. Even so, maybe the needles or some other parts are the same.

I think they ought to have springs under the screws to keep them from vibrating out of adjustment.

Is Tillitson still in business?

Kevin · October 13, 2003, 06:50:14 PM

Without any kind of pressure test it will be difficult to determine if it's just a carb problem.
If you really want to get it working well it's probably going to cost a few bucks.
There is a guy that works exclusively on Tillotson carbs in TN(I think that's where he's at).

Bro. Noble · October 13, 2003, 06:55:38 PM

I'm making a list and checking it twice-----------that is a list of demands of the big guy, just in case I find him a carb. I know there is a box of new and used tillitsons up at the shop. ;D

Jeff · October 13, 2003, 07:01:07 PM

QuoteI'm making a list and checking it twice-----------that is a list of demands of the big guy, just in case I find him a carb. I know there is a box of new and used tillitsons up at the shop. ;D

Oh Boy.

QuoteIf you really want to get it working well it's probably going to cost a few bucks.

Why?

Kevin · October 13, 2003, 07:09:00 PM

You should test the entire saw for leaks.
It isn't big bucks until they start stripping it down to replace the gaskets.
All depends on what you want to do with it.
If it's just carb work it won't be much but that's ify considering the age of the saw.

Minnesota_boy · October 13, 2003, 07:14:11 PM

Don't get too worried about the $$$, those Tillotson carbs are pretty simple inside, not many parts to wear out or break.

Under the diaphram should be one or two round holes with lighter colored metal covers on them. It could be that one or more of the jets (small holes in that carb) are plugged with deposits. The plugs can be removed by gently tapping a pin punch into the center with a light hammer until they will fall out. They really need to be replaced with new, but you can reuse the old ones in a pinch by putting them with the now convex side up and using the same hammer and punch to reverse the curvature until they will fit easily back into the hole you took them from, then gently punch down the center until they fit snug again. These plugs should be less than a dollar each, if you can find a dealer that stocks them.

Before you go to much trouble, remove the adjustment screws and look at the ends to see if any was broken off inside the carburetor. If I remember correctly, the needles should taper to a point. If the end is flat, the point may still be inside th carb, blocking the orofice that the gas needs to flow through, making adjustments impossible.

Boy is it hard to diagnose and describe from this far away. You need to move closer so I can play with, uh, I mean work on this in person.

chet · October 14, 2003, 07:04:59 PM

Jeff,
Check out this site, it may have info for your carb. http://www.deadsledwrenchers.com/Tillotson.htm

Kevin · October 14, 2003, 07:18:32 PM

Here's another ...
http://www.eccarburetors.com/

Jeff · October 10, 2004, 03:05:50 PM

Thought I would give you a few of my Cable drive Barker Rim saw that Noble picked up at an auction for me. Roy May hauled the durn thing have way acrossed the country to me and I got it at the Paul Bunyan show. Thanks again Roy! I am going to post a picture of the part I have to fix or get to so Noble can see it. I can hardly wait till next old engine show season!

Bro. Noble · October 10, 2004, 06:31:04 PM

What's the part number?

Jeff · October 10, 2004, 07:12:13 PM

Whats your guess?

dneiger · October 11, 2004, 09:33:24 AM

There was a Salley saw that was a lot like the Barker except the saw rim was mounted on a 4 or 5 foot extension shaft, as I remember the saw rim had square holes punched in it and a drive fit into the holes and turned the rim. It had a conventional chain saw motor to drive it, probably an early Techumse or West Bend. I was told they were developed for cutting under water, especially used for cutting Cypress knees in the swamps down south.
Dave

Bro. Noble · October 11, 2004, 11:55:24 AM

Would that possibly have been 'Sallee'? Do you have a picture of one?

The Barker Saw was originally made at Ava, Mo. A machinest that worked there was named 'Doc' Sallee. When the company moved to Springfield, Doc stayed in Ava and using Barker parts made various similarities. Sounds like what you might have seen.

Chris J · October 11, 2004, 03:31:25 PM

I'm very glad to see that this thread got reactivated. I had ran across this thread many months back, & have recently been thinking about it. Problem was I couldn't remember exactly where I had read it. Thanks!

Erick · October 12, 2004, 02:21:20 AM

Jeff,
Thanks for the pictures

thats one heck of a critter you got their. I had never seen one of these saws before and didn't even know such an animal existed. If you dont mind me asking what does somthing like that sell for ??? and where would you find one? Just in case a fella like myself wanted one. ;)

Jeff · October 13, 2004, 08:49:34 AM

Erick, I think you just about have to go to Mo to find one. No one up around these parts had ever seen one before I brought the engine mounted machine back. Chet had it up to Iron River for a spell to show off to the loggers and it was all new to them. I love cutting with it. Noble and I spent a day running around looking for one, and we found this one at an old fellers house wired up under an outbuilding over hang. He said he had to have a hundred for it and I didnt try to dicker with him. As for the cable drive saw, I dont know what thats going to cost me yet. The guy with the orange complexion aint told me yet, but HEY! I got the saw! :D

Jeff · October 13, 2004, 08:53:23 AM

I got to see a sallee saw at an old engine show. I missed out on it cause I didnt get Harolds message in time. He was at the auction but didnt bid cause he said he didnt know if I was INTERESTED!??

I got to look at it the next day but the new owner was pretty tight with it. Reminded me of an outboard motor with a blade instead of a prop.

Bro. Noble · October 13, 2004, 11:43:14 AM

I was pre-school and elementary when those saws were being made. I know that some were sold in Arkansas, Louisiana, and Mississippi, cause Elmo (whom I have posted about) had a sales route there. I think he mostly traded guns and pocket knives, however, and used the saw selling story to tell his wife. Elmo is still living or I could tell you some funny stories

Grandad gave me stamps form foreign countries so there was some interest in other countries. I remember they saying that they sold quite a few to pulp cutters in Canada. The saws were more suited to bucking than felling.

They started making chain saws in the mid 50's and the last rim saws were sold to some Amish in Penn. or possibly Ohio in the mid 60's. I helped Grandad scrounge up the parts in the warehouse. We could only find enough parts to partially fill the order.

The best place to buy one would be at a farm auction. If there was a dealer in your area, your local auctioneers have probably come across them. If you show them a picture, they will likely remember if they have seen them.

I'll try to remember to ask Dad where all they had dealers.

As for cost, if you find one it will probably cost much less than Jeff's is going to cost him :D :D : :D-------he's gonna be paying forever :D :D :D

Bro. Noble · October 14, 2004, 01:30:24 PM

Jeff,

I finally remembered to look in the barn where there are some old saw parts. I found one with a part #1004 that looks like yours. When are you coming down to pick it up? ;D

Jeff · October 14, 2004, 01:47:58 PM

That would be to easy! I am sure there has got to be a forum member down there that will drive all night and part of a day to deliver it. :D

HEY ROY!!! ;)

Erick · October 15, 2004, 03:31:38 AM

Thanks Jeff I guess I'll have to plan a trip to MO sometime. Always looking for an excuse to go on vacation. Hey Noble what do you charge for the guided tour. :D

Bro. Noble · October 15, 2004, 04:41:05 AM

Erick,

Would that be the 'hill' tour or the 'hollar' tour?

Prices will be doubling after the first of the year ;)

About the only vacation I get is when FF members come by