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[Firewoodjoe]

Might as well start the questions. I e played with the crane adjustments alot. Perimeters and percentages. I can't seem to get the main boom down to chill out lol  unless I need to get use to the mini game boy controls🤦‍♂️. I'm wondering g if I can install a valve in the line. The valmet forwarders had them. To control oil flow on the cylinder. Anything else people can think of I need to pay special attention to would be greatly appreciated. I've went over a lot. I'm sure more will keep showing up. 

[barbender]

  I've never played with the computer in a Deere machine. I could explain Ponsse controls in about 5 different directions😊

 I'll describe Ponsse settings, yours are probably similar enough to  give you a sense. 

 You will have a general speed setting. This adjusts all functions faster or slower, together. I would pick a medium setting (0 in a Ponsse. I think slowest is -10 and fastest is +10)

 You will be able to pick individual functions, and each one will have minimum speed, maximum speed, up ramp, and down ramp. It may also have settings for percentages which I'll explain in a bit. 

 For any function, you minimum speed is how many milliamps the computer sends to the valve. Typically we start out setting the minimum so that the function just perceptibly starts to move. Less and the control will feel dead. More and they will feel really touchy. 

 Maximum speed is how many milliamps get sent to the valve at a max. On Ponsses Iirc I was told that the valve was fully open around 650 ma. So if you set it higher, it wouldn't be any faster. If you set the computer to 850 ma or whatever it would go up to,  it would make it so the joystick had the valve at full open, at 3/4 travel which could also make it seem jumpy.

 The ramps- these are in milliseconds. This is how long it takes from when the joystick sends signal, for it to go from the minimum setting to the maximum setting. 500 milliseconds is half a second. About 250 milliseconds is a decent middle of the road setting for both up and down ramps imo. I didn't run any ramp on my grapple or rotator. 

 Percentages- here's how Ponsse worked- there are 2 numbers. One is the percentage of travel. So say that is at 50%. The second number is milliamps, at the first numbers value. So if the second # is 100%, you would have 100% of the max milliamp setting, at 50% travel (it gets a little confusing) that would give you very touchy, "up front" controls. 100% at 100% gives you linear controls. I messed with these quite a bit and finally settled in leaving them at the factory, 100% at 100% setting. 

 As far as your jumpy main boom, unless there is something sticking in the control valve, you should be able to completely take care of that in the computer. I'd start with the minimum setting. Set it just so you can see it move. Then turn the maximum speed down, until it's not moving too quickly. If it still seems jumpy, check those percentages. People can get them pretty screwed up, where the stick barely moves anything and then all of the sudden goes full speed. 

 I loved having full access to the settings in my machines, but honestly for I'd say a majority of operators (and myself some days) they'd be better off if all they could do is adjust the general speed🤷

[Firewoodjoe]

Wow. Well thanks. And that sounds about right. I ran from 0-100% and I didn't see much of a difference on the crane down. But was very obvious on the grapple open and close. Maybe I need to play with it more. 

[barbender]

If I'm understanding what you're looking at, you should be able to set that percentage at 100%. And then adjust the minimum and maximum milliamps for the speed on that function. The percentage isn't adjusting the speed, just where it happens on the joystick if that makes sense.

[Firewoodjoe]

 This is what I seen in each function adjustment. @barbender is this similar to the ponsee? Are the top numbers the speed and the bottom
Numbers the speed at which it responds to my finger movement? Thanks this stuff smokes my brains quick🤦‍♂️   And of course the book is very vague.

[barbender]

Yep, that is similar. The top number, "min" should be the minimum function speed. Basically, that's the speed it starts at when it recieves input from the joystick. Set it so the function just barely moves. Lower number will reduce that until the function actually quits moving, higher number will make it start at a higher speed- which will make it jumpy.
 
 The "max" sets the fastest speed the function moves, so if you feel a function is too fast, reduce the number until the function slows to your liking.

 The bottom two are your upramp and downramp, and the "language" of them is different than Ponsse so I'm not sure how you would adjust them. These two adjustments have nothing to do with speed, but rather response. 

 Try getting the speed adjusted correctly on the "min" and "max", and then I'll try to help you with the ramps.

[Skeans1]

@Firewoodjoe
In one of those menus should be a menu that shows you where the joystick is in milli volts to the position of the joystick. Some of it will be getting used to the mini joysticks vs the chipping hammer sure grips there's a huge difference in feel plus the travel will be different. It might not hurt to setup a new "operator" in the menu with factory setting and go from there if you have the book it should also tell you the factory settings for every function.

[Firewoodjoe]

Thanks guys. I'll keep playing with it. I seen where I could reset it back to factory settings. But I've already adjusted so much wasn't sure it it would really help or not. I really need the main boom lower slower. That would help a lot. 

[barbender]

 

 

 This is the one you need to reduce, to slow the boom down speed. If it is way too fast I'd try 500.

[Firewoodjoe]

I'll find out tomorrow morning. I've only skidded about 1 1/2 cord with it. Swing wood on the landing to dial in the boom. But that 1 1/2 cord skid was a joy to drive. The width and weight could be felt and the hydrostatic is so much better. Love that so far. 

[barbender]

Maybe now you'll get to experience the joy of having a forwarder right on your butt all the time😁

[Firewoodjoe]

Basically just me now. I get help a couple days a week. Otherwise I run all three machines. That was the main reason I needed a forwarder. So I could get more wood out when the forwarder was running, in turn giving me more time to cut. Goal is to still do 5 loads or 100 cord or 250 ton. If the markets turn around I'll hire someone. Or maybe I'll like being loan ranger again. 🤷‍♂️

[teakwood]

Joe, when did you buy this machine, i kinda missed that in the posts. can you repeat what year, hours, capacity, how much $, if you want to share this info. very interesting

[GRANITEstateMP]

Did you sell or trade the black forwarder (Valmet?)

[Firewoodjoe]

I bought it awhile ago. But mechanical issues kept it from getting delivered. Yes valmet was traded in. It's a 2006 John Deere 1110 with 23,000 hours I think it's considered a 13 ton  payload. They had it advertised at $119,000. I'm not going to give details on the deal. I like it so far. I got the controls slowed way down (jerkyness) it's getting old and high hours but that stuff dont bather me. Besides one newer with less hours was twice the money. Or one cheaper was beat up pretty bad.

[Firewoodjoe]

@barbender @Skeans1 thanks for the help. Took a bit because the functions were changed but in the computer it's only original. If you get what I'm saying. So I'd be adjusting what I thought was main boom but actually it was the jib boom. 

[barbender]

So did someone switch the hoses around or something, so the controls are different?

[barbender]

Those hours aren't as big of a deal on a forwarder, especially if it has been treated well.

[Firewoodjoe]

The wire plugs in the solenoids. This model year I think you have to. Can't in the computer. Not a big deal I don't think. That way no hydraulics are changed. Such as pressures. 

[Skeans1]

@Firewoodjoe 
I should of caught that in the picture, the old Timberjack TMC isn't the easiest to always understand looking at the picture now I see it's showing the jib.

[barbender]

Sure, that makes sense FJ. We'll I'd be all screwed up trying to run it if the main and jib are like a John Deere backhoe😊

[Skeans1]

@barbender
They use the standard control layout the picture shows which cylinder the function you're adjusting is affecting, the layout could of been improved when they did it.

[barbender]

I figured they use the standard ISO control pattern, I thought from what FJ said that someone switched it around. 

[Firewoodjoe]

It is switched around. I switch it myself also. I set it like all equipment I've ran. Main boom on left pull to lift and job boom on right pull to lift. I hate things like dirt equipment where you pull the lever to you to pull the digger to you. Also that pic skeans, is the main boom. But now is actually adjusting the jib boom because I switched it at the valve bank. You have to in order to get the controls in the order that the particular operator wants. Every day I get it much smoother and better to operate. Some functions were 35% and 10%. Some 20% and 20%. Quite a mess. 

[Firewoodjoe]

Biggest problem is the multi-functioning. I can set each function to run satisfactory by itself but when you try to lift and swing at the same time it almost goes crazy. Usually the swing will take off faster. Or at least that's what I notice.