"expert" tubers

[PAmizerman]

I just watched a how to video by a popular channel on making 2x4's.

Splitting the pith and not factoring in kerf
Yet claiming this is the best way to make "perfect" 2x4's 

My point is there is a lot of mis information out there and it's sad. 

[Magicman]

Because of the misinformation I seldom watch any sawing videos and shake my head at most of what I read on fb. 

The only valid source of information that I have ever found, Thanks to Jeff, is here on The Forestry Forum.

[barbender]

 I wish FB and YouTube would "fact check" all of the sawing disinformation on their platforms.

[Dan_Shade]

I tend to question operations with all new equipment,especially if they can keep it looking that way... 

[YellowHammer]

Yes, that's why I made that video on "Spandex Sawyers" sawing logs like slicing cheese, on YouTube, which is my most viewed video.

Many YouTubers sell videos by filming themselves using a sawmill, no different than if they were using a jackhammer or pizza oven.  It's just a prop to justify wearing tight clothes and looking "Old School" or "Back to Nature" or stuff like that.  They have millions of subscribers and make hundreds of thousands of dollars per year doing it.  Can't blame them, no more than the guys on TV who pick up an axe for the first time and build a long cabin on Discovery Channel.  Except the YouTubers make more money.    

On the other hand, some sawyers, like me, make their money selling the lumber they mill, and film that, making almost no money on the YouTube.

Big difference.

[WhitePineJunky]

Yes, that's why I made that video on "Spandex Sawyers" sawing logs like slicing cheese, on YouTube, which is my most viewed video.

Many YouTubers sell videos by filming themselves using a sawmill, no different than if they were using a jackhammer or pizza oven.  It's just a prop to justify wearing tight clothes and looking "Old School" or "Back to Nature" or stuff like that.  They have millions of subscribers and make hundreds of thousands of dollars per year doing it.  Can't blame them, no more than the guys on TV who pick up an axe for the first time and build a long cabin on Discovery Channel.  Except the YouTubers make more money.    

On the other hand, some sawyers, like me, make their money selling the lumber they mill, and film that, making almost no money on the YouTube.

Big difference.

Spandex sawyers hilarious, I know exactly the type you're talking about lol the reason they got views and not because of sawing...

[barbender]

 I'm telling you Robert, with your knowledge and successful operation, a little spandex may be all that is keeping you from YouTube success!😁

 At least the "2x4 girls" aren't really the full Spandex types. They just happen to be pretty young ladies, that may be letting their teaching get ahead of their learning🤷 

[Nealm66]

I'm still very green so please don't barbecue me too much but ive split the pith quite a few times cutting Doug fir and it really hasn't done anything crazy. A lot of it has been sitting for 8-12 months. I also notice when I was researching how to avoid beam splits that unboxing helps? I was looking at some rough cut Doug fir true dimensional 6x6's that had been up for a year on a large open barn type structure that there was obviously no effort to avoid splitting the pith when it was milled and noticed cracks in the boxed piths but none on the unboxed. These were treated with diesel/motor oil mix and didn't seem to be any different on the sunny side. 

[Bruno of NH]

Most guys aren't watching the 2x4's being sawn   :D
I will give em that they do work hard .
They mean well 

[barbender]

 I saw a lot of 2x4's for single use shipping crating. I split the pith like I'm wearing spandex with zero regret😁 They are perfectly acceptable for the intended usage.

Neal, you're right, a heart centered beam will nearly always get a check.

[4x4American]

So you're saying that if I start sawing in spandex, video myself doing it, and uploading it to YT, I can make millions!?   8)

[Ianab]

I was looking at some rough cut Doug fir true dimensional 6x6's that had been up for a year on a large open barn type structure that there was obviously no effort to avoid splitting the pith when it was milled and noticed cracks in the boxed piths but none on the unboxed.

That is to be expected. Boxed heart will usually develop a check, but the piece has the best chance of staying straight. Free Of Heart means the pith is not in the beam at all, and "probably" wont check or move much. But you need big logs to make beams like that. Splitting the pith usually means the beam will both check, AND move in some way, because the tension in the wood isn't balanced. 

But as others say, what's acceptable depends for the end use is what matters. And what you can get away with depends on the species of wood. Doug fir for example is naturally pretty stable, and some checking in a timber doesn't have a big impact on it's load bearing. So although the beams you saw weren't perfect, they were at least "fit for purpose", as the barn was still standing. 

[Ianab]

So you're saying that if I start sawing in spandex, video myself doing it, and uploading it to YT, I can make millions!?   8)

Worked for Ryan Reynolds.  :D
Maybe take Deadpool's advice, and wear Red, so it doesn't show the blood  ;)

[moodnacreek]

There are some impressive videos of small automated sawmills I find very interesting. One from Nova Scotia comes to mind, using old machines and sawing small dia. logs I would hate and getting high production. Another that pops up all the time with a nice automatic mill but the guy does not know his last board thickness, How can he call himself a sawyer?

[moodnacreek]

So you're saying that if I start sawing in spandex, video myself doing it, and uploading it to YT, I can make millions!?   8)

Where in H have you been?

[Magicman]

The very mention of Spandex and 4X4 Doug came sniffing his way back home.  :D

[Andries]

It's good to have 4 x 4 back, even if it is about spandex.
 I wonder if he had a "hurdle" to get over, in order to make it back to the forum? 😉

[barbender]

 4x4 "D-U-G"! Welcome home!

 Most of the "spandex sawyers" know exactly what they are up to dressing as they do. However, I don't think those poor girls that did the 2x4 video probably understand why they get so many views.

[SawyerTed]

If you have ever seen any other videos the "girls" have done, they know.

Their dad is a logger who bought an LT15 to make it through the 2008 economic downturn.  He did and the lumber business grew.  

The girls decided to stay in the family business with dad, mom, and grandpa.  

While I agree their sawing technique needs improvement, I admire their efforts to take the family business to a new level. 

At least they are working 

[moodnacreek]

If you have ever seen any other videos the "girls" have done, they know.

Their dad is a logger who bought an LT15 to make it through the 2008 economic downturn.  He did and the lumber business grew.  

The girls decided to stay in the family business with dad, mom, and grandpa.  

While I agree their sawing technique needs improvement, I admire their efforts to take the family business to a new level.

At least they are working

that beautiful skin and hair exposed around machinery is a little much.

[Old Greenhorn]

Can somebody post a link or pointer to the video in question? I'd like to see what everyone is talking about here and as I don't search YT for sawing videos, I have not had the pleasure of understanding what is being discussed.
 I get all my sawing info right here and don't need to go anywhere else. ;D

[SawyerTed]

Tom, I send you a message with the way to find them.  

[barbender]

 ST, I don't hold anything against them or their videos (the little I've seen) other than like I said, the teaching is a bit beyond the learning.

You're right- they're working, helping with the family business. Good for them if they're making money with YouTube, too.

Maybe I'm just jealous that I never put anything out there because I don't want to open myself up to ridicule😁 And I'm not very pretty🤷 My best chance at YouTube monetization is my sidekick Walt, the black pug who rode with me daily in the forwarder. I even put his name on the door😊

 

 


 Walt is ready to get the views

[Jeff]

I just asked Cedar if he was willing to wear spandex.

[Old Greenhorn]

Barbender have you looked around here at all? :D NONE of us are very pretty (sorry, no offence folks, nothing wrong with being 'plain'). Spandex would not help our situation at all, and likely make it worse! ;D
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Yes, one of the girl's fanboys sent me down the right path (Thanks Ted :D) and I watched the 2x4 video and some snips of others. Personally I didn't get a negative vibe from this at all. First, I found no spandex anywhere (Guess I have to look harder?) and second the video was technically oriented without exploitive camera angles and content, I thought. She is wearing appropriate work clothes as opposed to some of the stupid outfits I have seen. Of course it was also not a comprehensive technical video as was promised and did not mention kerf or pitch. It also did not mention the control takes into account the kerf (if properly programmed) and it completely skipped over explaining that the over target cant of 8" should actually be 8-1/8" to achieve the goal stated.

 Overall I saw a young lady doing her best to produce a saleable product and trying to explain how she does it. I also saw that either she still has some stuff to learn OR she needs to work on how she explains it in order to be clear and include the critical details. So yes, it's mis-leading while also being informative on a very general basis. IMHO, this is a working gal, not a pith princess.