Forestry Forum 2024 Presidential exit poll

Ron Wenrich · November 12, 2024, 09:19:09 AM

To be fair, both parties take advantage of donors. Years ago, we had our state Senator who was the leading money raiser in the election cycle. He wasn't even on the ballot that year. Its all a money grab. They didn't get enough from us through taxation, they need to tap into our disposable income so they can tax us more.

According to Forbes, $15.9 billion was spent on all federal elections.

GAB · November 12, 2024, 10:03:23 AM

Quote from: Ron Wenrich on November 12, 2024, 09:19:09 AMTo be fair, both parties take advantage of donors. Years ago, we had our state Senator who was the leading money raiser in the election cycle. He wasn't even on the ballot that year. Its all a money grab. They didn't get enough from us through taxation, they need to tap into our disposable income so they can tax us more.

According to Forbes, $15.9 billion was spent on all federal elections.

I have never donated to a political campaign and plan on not breaking my streak.
I'm not going to assist them in polluting my television and radio programming.
GAB

Resonator · November 12, 2024, 11:03:48 AM

$15.9 billion.... and how many roads, bridges, schools, small business loans, etc., could have been done with that much money...

Machinebuilder · November 12, 2024, 11:51:56 AM

I've been reading news stories from variuos places.

I have not seen anyone admit/comment that Harris lost so badly is because she is a bad candidate.

I do not like Trump, it goes a long way back to the 1980's living in the Hudson Valley and seeing his questionable business dealings.
I think he is a very smart businessman and presents a strong image to the world.

I attempted to watch the 2 presidential debates. the first one with Biden my take away is that it is embarrassing to think that both candidates want to represent the USA on the world stage. the second debate with Harris, I could not listen to her talk so much to say nothing.

I keep reminding myself that at the end of Trumps first term there was an unprecedented 5 middle east peace accords signed.

Do I think there could have been better candidates.....definitely.
Do I have faith the current parties will allow them to run.....I am skeptical.

one thing I held against Harris is the way she was appointed to run, by the party claiming to be for democracy.

Mooseherder · November 12, 2024, 02:48:13 PM

I think History, as long as the truth still matters, Trump will be the Boy Scout who had a massive conspiracy against him. We are still living through 2 forms of Justice. The only person being held accountable for 8 years is Trump. The People saw through it and now it's time to fix what broke. Start with General Flynn with 2 teams. One looking back and one moving forward. Adam Schiff received 6 million votes when he deserves jail. We have a ways to go.

rusticretreater · November 12, 2024, 07:43:08 PM

Well the Dems spent all that money and accomplished a lot, like getting our government turned around!

Remember, most of that money went into the economy, whether it paid libs or not.

doc henderson · November 12, 2024, 08:05:05 PM

I would not vote for any dem at this point, cause they will pretend to be moderate, and then cave to the far left, or turn out to be in the end. Trump was a good businessman. I do not know many businesspeople that think kindness and charity is the way to success. Maybe in a well-planned PR campaign. trump is like the guy in pretty woman who after years came around. he calls a spade a spade, but now is a grandpa. We can all evolve. I have always been a kind person and a good doc. I after all these years become kinder (nothing to prove) and a better doc. IMHO. There was no other possible reasonable intelligent choice. remember, do not drink the dam cool aid.

NewYankeeSawmill · November 13, 2024, 04:31:32 AM

Quote from: rusticretreater on November 12, 2024, 07:43:08 PMRemember, most of that money went into the economy, whether it paid libs or not.

As a Printing Industry Veteran, those stupid postcards that come around every October/November were a nice boost to the year-end budget.
(Most printed election material has a "Union" stamp on it, certainly if you're printing for a democrat - so the owner paid $300/yr to some union somewhere he never heard of or knew existed. And we got to put a Union seal on anything we printed that needed one.)

Kinda like when you pay the rabbi to bless the juice after it's bottled... but I'll save that story for another time.

aigheadish · November 13, 2024, 06:54:09 AM

@Machinebuilder I'm with you on a couple things... I'm amazed that no one on the left is saying she lost because she was a bad candidate also (it was the same with Hillary). No, no, it's because she's a woman, or it's because America is racist and she's a woman. No, she was installed, with zero primary (no public voted for her for that position, "he's a threat to democracy!"), and she was a terrible choice.

I think most conservatives would be totally on-board with a Margaret Thatcher type and would be thrilled to vote for her. Just present a good option.

Cedarman · November 13, 2024, 11:48:12 AM

I want competence to achieve the goals I want for this country and the best character (they are all flawed to a certain degree) you can give me.
Does does race, sex matter? Not in my book.

rusticretreater · November 13, 2024, 12:27:54 PM

I would have voted for Condaleeza Rice, no problem. That's a woman, a black woman, a *DanG smart black woman, a black woman with a penchant for wearing black leather and platform heeled boots.

Bradm · November 13, 2024, 01:16:53 PM

Quote from: Joewood on November 09, 2024, 05:59:39 PMI agree whole heartedly 47.
Just to be clear, Harris was not my first choice, neither was Biden, they were just better than the alternative. If Trump has his way food prices will rise, no one to harvest the veggies or milk the cows; he has vowed to roll back federal regulations on energy and the environment, extend tax cuts to the rich, and pursue an "America First" foreign policy; this will put us back in the 20^th century with higher prices and less choice at the marketplace.
OK, I'll get off my soupbox but I do agree with a lot that was said on here. We'll just have to muddle through the next four years.

I want to ask where you got your information from with regards to higher prices and less choice. I had, and still have, a lot of posts and videos from Robert Reich come across my feed and this sounds almost identical to what he was posting and not once did he include any solid evidence to back up his claims (though he did use liberal amounts of newspeak and out of context quotes). I ask because I am truly curious and I do want to know as much as I can. I do caution against using "no one to harvest ..." rhetoric as it can be interpreted in a manner that I don't think you intend.

I think we're going to see in the next 6-12 months a melt up in the stock market followed by a nasty crash and depending on how they go about bringing manufacturing back on shore there could very well be an increase in prices.

aigheadish · November 13, 2024, 01:19:48 PM

@rusticretreater Condi was the example I was thinking of too, I would have also voted for her back in the day, had she run against Obama. Probably wouldn't now though.

beenthere · November 13, 2024, 01:54:03 PM

From what I can observe, Trump is putting together a very powerful Cabinet and it is very encouraging to me.

Giving the States the Education responsibility back is also encouraging. The statistics are mind boggling when looking at the intelligence of our HS graduates being turned out these days.

Mooseherder · November 13, 2024, 02:14:17 PM

I'd like to see all government housing given to the States also. The local governments can decide who lives in those units,

GAB · November 13, 2024, 03:50:15 PM

Quote from: Machinebuilder on November 12, 2024, 11:51:56 AMI've been reading news stories from variuos places.

I have not seen anyone admit/comment that Harris lost so badly is because she is a bad candidate.

I do not like Trump, it goes a long way back to the 1980's living in the Hudson Valley and seeing his questionable business dealings.
I think he is a very smart businessman and presents a strong image to the world.

I was worried that Harris would make the US look very weak at G7 or G8 meetings.
Trump has dealt with Kim, Xi, & Putin in the past so there is some experience there.
GAB

teakwood · November 13, 2024, 05:06:14 PM

A friendly reminder

https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=125278.new#new

Jeff · November 17, 2024, 10:41:05 AM

I woulda loved to been here! Best version I can find.

rusticretreater · November 17, 2024, 11:45:50 AM

I am a UFC MMA fan and watched the broadcast last night. Trump, RFK, Musk, Kid Rock, Speaker Johnson, Tulsi Gabbard, Ramaswamy and Trumps sons were at the event at Madison Square Garden.

They came walking out of the tunnel and the place went crazy. People chanting USA, USA. The fighters went over to talk to Trump after the matches. Jon Jones, a long time champion and a big, bad, black man said he was proud to be an American and that Trump's time was coming. Some other fighters were pretty vocal about it too.

I also saw a photo of Biden at the recent Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Peru. They take a group photo of all the leaders there. Xi from China was in the center front. Biden in the back row on the end. Lame Duck.