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Re: A 4wd tractor w/ front end loader/fork and agile as a skid steer!
« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2005, 07:55:58 PM »
Valtra makes an articulated farm tractor at about 90hp if I remember...  Cubic dollars... 
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Re: A 4wd tractor w/ front end loader/fork and agile as a skid steer!
« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2005, 08:03:32 PM »
I don't think you can beat an older rough terrrian forklift, Not multi purpose but man does it get the job done with logs and lumber. I think I could kill a smallish tractor real fast. Their just not designed to do what most log operations would ask. For the price of a new multipurpose you could buy a fleet of job specific equipment and make all of them last a heck of alot longer. 

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« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2005, 07:31:04 AM »
If I had my druthers, I would have one of the Wranglers made by Willmar.  I have used one before and it would be just right for handling logs and lumber around the mill.

It is small but it has a heap of power and lift capacity for its size.

check it out at http://www.willmar.agcocorp.com/default.cfm?pid=1.7.8

I think that it is also available as a massey 7500 ???  they are both part of the agco group.

I will keep my 40-50 hp M4700 4x4 kubota because it is just too handy for all the other jobs around the place. 

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Re: A 4wd tractor w/ front end loader/fork and agile as a skid steer!
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2021, 10:19:05 AM »
I kept migrating around equipment until I setteled on a Cat 4wd 416C Tractor/Backhoe. It lifts about 1mbf of lumber and dosn't tear the yard up, additionally it's great for all the other work cleaning up sawdust, handling large and small logs, the 4-in-1 bucket grabs but trim pieces and small logs fine.

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Generally how much weight is in 1mbf? Im looking for a tractor or SSL. Im just wondering the HP / lifting capacity Ill need
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Re: A 4wd tractor w/ front end loader/fork and agile as a skid steer!
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2021, 10:35:44 AM »
Green hardwoods probably 5000 lb
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Re: A 4wd tractor w/ front end loader/fork and agile as a skid steer!
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2021, 11:10:27 AM »
Wow, sorry Im so new, that seems like a big load of lumber on a pallet. Is that a standard pallet of lumber or is there kind of a standard BF per pallet to stack?
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« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2021, 11:30:36 AM »
I have run one of these years ago... wish i could find one...
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« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2021, 11:35:24 AM »
Just bought a new JCB 3TS-8W, won't take delivery until end of February.  This unit will subsidize the old 2003 Bobcat S185 that has way too many hours to shamely list.  We went with this unit for several reasons over another bobcat.  Side door entry (no more crawling over bucket or attachments, I'm getting older)  Extended reach (teleboom) so we can load higher and reach out a bit further, lift capacity at 3,200lbs ( a little better then the ole S185).  

Went with the 8W (wheeled) over the 8T (rubber tracked) because, well one, we have steel tracks on the S185 we are going to move over to this unit, like the added ballist of the tracks, they work way better on snow and mud over the rubber tracks (around this region anyway), pretty easy on and off if needed, and the unit is about 2,000 lbs lighter, think its going to be a great addition to the yard and jobsites, now just the wait..... ::)



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« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2021, 12:05:20 PM »
I stack lighter pallets to match the capacity of my FEL. You either have to match the load to the machine or buy a machine that matches the load. Many of us get by with what we have because sometimes its not possible to justify the thing we want. Just part of the game. Some people are just using their atv or utv and use creativity to bridge the gap. Just depends on the scale and output of the operation. 

Start small and figure out where its gonna take you as your journey progresses. Its all just part of the addiction. 

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« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2021, 12:26:19 PM »
Great advise and greatly appreciated! That machine above it beautiful, but I think way out of my price range.

I agree with using what you have to make work, especially as a beginner I think I will learn what I need to become more efficient to the things I would like (wish list) lol.  

To me this will be more of an enjoyable thing to do, as I get older and my friend does as well I would like to keep active in the forest and continue to do the work without having it to be to painful as a weekend warrior type thing. I see great value in a tractor not only for skidding but loading moving stacking, all those things that are great but also back braking work over the years. If a tractor can eliminate some of that work so we can enjoy our time there more then its well worth the investment.
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« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2021, 01:10:41 PM »
Namowin,

Fully agree, as most others have already mentioned work with what you got, my philosophy is pay as you go for what you need, if you can't, then you really just don't need it and need to figure out doing what needs to be done with what you have.  Been at this for over 30 years, starting my own construction company back in 94, a whole lot of baby steps (well the forward ones were, the backwards ones seem to be more of leaps and bounds), anyway fast forward to today, my 26 year old is really taking over the biz along side his 20 year old brother.  Just finally now getting to where I can obtain such creature comforts such as this.  As the saying goes "I have done so much with so little, I can now do anything with nothing!" or something like that, but alias, age does creep up on you a  bit.

Have lots of fun, grow as you learn, pay as you grow, and it will stay enjoyable, take on too much too quick and it becomes another 9 to 5 on steroids.

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« Reply #31 on: January 18, 2021, 01:28:27 PM »
Very well said Mike and I love the sayings as they make a lot of sense. Ive been fortunate enough to buy a few rental properties over the years, I started about age 25 and since then they are all almost paid off 17 years later. So instead of giving mr tax man more revenue ive decided to go down a different ave or direction, and invest in something I enjoy (trust me rental property isnt fun). 

I find people look at me funny when I say I bought a mill, I suppose its perhaps a lack of knowledge. Others its more of a lack of interest,Why would someone actually want to go into the forest and harvest trees. The answer is very simple to me, pure fun and enjoyment. From the atmosphere of usually being alone with nature to enjoying it with close friends that are same minded people. (Friends part not so much right now because we are isolated) but I general. My job is 90% mental 10% physical, so Im lacking the physical part and forestry most certainly can provide lol  
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« Reply #32 on: January 18, 2021, 02:08:15 PM »
Sounds like a good plan.

Im using a 40hp tractor with FEL and pallet forks on the back. I get by pretty well, even though it would be nice to have more and bigger toys. Its just a hobby for me, so production is what it is.

By the way - you need some place to air dry and store the lumber. Even limited production leads to lot of handling, storage, and waste disposal.  Sawing lumber is the easy part. All that stuff will evolve as you go, but it can surprise you as you get started. All part of the fun though. Sawdust addiction leads to an insatiable need for more space and more equipment.

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« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2021, 03:24:34 PM »
Namowin; the never ending quest for the perfect wood moving machine for sawmill work lasts a lifetime. (or as long as you operate a mill)
I found a Ford 545C, which is a yellow construction machine.


 
The Ford weighs 12,000 lbs. and has a three point hitch and PTO. It'll lift 5000 lbs. and has a 66 hp. Perkins diesel. $15,000 CAD about eight years ago at JV Sales on Route 90 in The 'Peg. You know where that is right?
It's a BackHoe that's lost it's Hoe.  ;D
When you're hunting for a machine, many think that knowing the machine's weight and it's load lifting capacity are far more important than knowing the HP.
For lumber, logs, brush clearing, ripping up concrete pads or demolishing old buildings, it's super - because it's heavy.
Out in the woods, pulling logs or winching over trees, it's got issues. Soft ground and higher stumps or rocks will hang it up - because it's heavy.
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« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2021, 03:45:21 PM »
 ;D Lmao its lost its Hoe hahaha, some days I wish the same  :D. Yea I know where your talking about. That machine would be ideal I think. For the most part it will live in the forest/pasture, and will be used for anything heavier then about 1k lbs. which Im learning will be almost everything lol.

Yes storage, is definitely on my mind, I would like to get the first few months under my belt first then I can hopefully start to understand where I think would be the best place to stack in accordance to wind, where a solar kiln may be to where the offcuts and leftovers will be and oh god what to do with the man glitter.... make a mountain and let my kids make a castle out of it? Lol right now without a bucket Ill be shovelling it into my dump trailer I guess... and either spreading it or taking it to the dump. 

Man a tractor keeps sounding better and better. Im quite handy and generally mechanically inclined so Im not shy of older equipment. Im budgeting at the very max maybe $30k but I would like to spend less if I could get some implements like forks, grapple maybe, post hole digger, box scraper to fix all the roads ect. Roads by the way are dirt, but there is an active gravel pit on part of the land so I can make roads over time if needed. 

Ill just tell the wife its a big lawn mower lol
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« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2021, 03:47:35 PM »
I see that you banded that pile of lumber? Is there a special way to do that? Ill thinking in-line with the stickers?
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« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2021, 04:06:29 PM »

Just bought a new JCB 3TS-8W, won't take delivery until end of February.  This unit will subsidize the old 2003 Bobcat S185 that has way too many hours to shamely list.  We went with this unit for several reasons over another bobcat.  Side door entry (no more crawling over bucket or attachments, I'm getting older)  Extended reach (teleboom) so we can load higher and reach out a bit further, lift capacity at 3,200lbs ( a little better then the ole S185).  

Went with the 8W (wheeled) over the 8T (rubber tracked) because, well one, we have steel tracks on the S185 we are going to move over to this unit, like the added ballist of the tracks, they work way better on snow and mud over the rubber tracks (around this region anyway), pretty easy on and off if needed, and the unit is about 2,000 lbs lighter, think its going to be a great addition to the yard and jobsites, now just the wait..... ::)



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Congratulations. Im sure you will be extremely happy. I havent been around the machines but from all the information and video Ive seen that unit in a tracked version would be at the top of my list. The side entry is incredible. The teleboom they say is very capable and effective. From being around the sawmill standpoint that combo of side entry and teleboom is wicked combo

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« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2021, 04:09:53 PM »
I'll band for transport or just to move a pallet full to an air drying place.
It really cheeses me off when a stacked pile of lumber slides off a set of frozen forks onto the ground. Shippers Supply at Century and St Mathews sells all sorts of banding tools and supplies.
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By the way, an aspen log, 10' by 20" DBH is about 1500 lbs.
Once you get your new mill set up, logs in that size range are the sweet spot that gives you the most lumber for your labour. As GAB said, and if you can . . . a heavier machine might be wiser.
Associated Auctions has sales on equipment every week - and a good website.



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You have a dump trailer and access to a gravel supply. . . you're golden!
Build a hardened pad and locate your operations on it. Then you can work even when the ground is wet. . . or thawing out.

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« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2021, 04:13:03 PM »

Just bought a new JCB 3TS-8W, won't take delivery until end of February.  This unit will subsidize the old 2003 Bobcat S185 that has way too many hours to shamely list.  We went with this unit for several reasons over another bobcat.  Side door entry (no more crawling over bucket or attachments, I'm getting older)  Extended reach (teleboom) so we can load higher and reach out a bit further, lift capacity at 3,200lbs ( a little better then the ole S185).  

Went with the 8W (wheeled) over the 8T (rubber tracked) because, well one, we have steel tracks on the S185 we are going to move over to this unit, like the added ballist of the tracks, they work way better on snow and mud over the rubber tracks (around this region anyway), pretty easy on and off if needed, and the unit is about 2,000 lbs lighter, think its going to be a great addition to the yard and jobsites, now just the wait..... ::)


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Congratulations. Im sure you will be extremely happy. I havent been around the machines but from all the information and video Ive seen that unit in a tracked version would be at the top of my list. The side entry is incredible. The teleboom they say is very capable and effective. From being around the sawmill standpoint that combo of side entry and teleboom is wicked combo
Mike W bought this really nice machine. My comment didnt seem to go in a quote

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« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2021, 06:53:05 PM »
I'll band for transport or just to move a pallet full to an air drying place.
It really cheeses me off when a stacked pile of lumber slides off a set of frozen forks onto the ground. Shippers Supply at Century and St Mathews sells all sorts of banding tools and supplies.
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By the way, an aspen log, 10' by 20" DBH is about 1500 lbs.
Once you get your new mill set up, logs in that size range are the sweet spot that gives you the most lumber for your labour. As GAB said, and if you can . . . a heavier machine might be wiser.
Associated Auctions has sales on equipment every week - and a good website.

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You have a dump trailer and access to a gravel supply. . . you're golden!
Build a hardened pad and locate your operations on it. Then you can work even when the ground is wet. . . or thawing out.
Thanks I think thats one of the sites Ive looking at, there are a few ag auction places in Brandon which is super close also, Ill keep it in mind. Great idea with the packing an area with A base and gravel so I keep working when its wet out. THe gravel pit usually has some big loaders with about 3 yard bucket, shouldnt take long to spread and pack it around.
So for the banding, its really only for transport?
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