Planer

[Oregon_Rob]

Don
I can go over the partical board, was worried about it holding the nails.

[Kevin_H.]

Try Grizzly.com
Be warned, once you get on the web site it is hard to stop looking...

[DanG]

Paul, ask for a catalog. Their's is one of the nicest around. You won't be able to put it down for hours.

[Don P]

They haven't sent me a catalog in years...come to think of it neither has Victoria :-/ I need to change my spending habits, I'm getting boring junk mail. A Graingers can take a month of sittings in the reading room to go through.
Ron,
Is it really particleboard, sawdust and glue
 or osb, chips and glue? I just went over to the NOFMA website and you're right particleboard isn't an approved subfloor, osb however is. It was under the frequently asked questions. There's alot of info on their site.
http://www.nofma.org/index.htm

Dad always used "deadening felt", tarpaper without the tar, it was gray and softer than tarpaper. Everyone I see now uses 15 lb tarpaper underlay. I've wondered about using subfloor glue...let us know how it does. Have any of you other guys done it that way?

[Paul_H]

You guys are right about getting lost at Grizzly's.I was looking at their metal lathes,would really like to have one,have been looking for a used one at a good price for a long time.

Probably should have a shop to put it in first.Now I'm starting to feel sorry for myself :P

[woodmills1]

on flooring use tar paper to help stop squeeks.  the back relief I think is to help the floor lay flat against irregularities and is almost a must on wider pieces. I produced much of the flooring in my previous house along with the window moulding, as well as flooring for customers.  I thought about using the biscuit joiner on the ends where boards butt to each other but never did it, I just try to set the chop saw very square and use a fresh blade.  I have used a zinseer product as a finish it is a 2 part urethane, If i remember it is called target "puppy proof" floor finish.

[Oregon_Rob]

Yep, dust and glue. I don't like the idea of having to tear it up, but really don't like the idea of having to pull up planks and then tear it up. I have some time befor I have to decide, just don't want to regreat doing or not doing something.

[beenthere]

OR_Rob   (re. flooring project)
If the two layers are not glued together, then removing one and replacing with plywood or OSB should work for nailing the flooring. If when removing the top layer particleboard you find that the sub-floor is OSB PS2, then you can drum sand the joints and lay the flooring on it (Here's hoping the two layers are not glued).

If the two are glued together, not much hope but for a lot of work sawing everything loose around the edges of the room, ripping it off the joists and then (I would) put down a new subfloor of either plywood or 3/4" OSB PS2 rated, according to Bruce Hardwood Flooring Mfg's recommendations at
http://www.armstrong.com/resbrucewoodna/index.jsp

Wish you luck in your decision.

[Oregon_Sawyer]

Paul:

The pictures look great.  I showed my wife.  I have been trying to convince her that the bedroom floor in the new house will be cvg doug fir.  She said it looks beautifull.  I am having a hard time convincing her.  I have some old growth logs that have a large pitch ring but I think I can cut nice boards inbetween the rings.
What thickness was the rough cut lumber and the finish size.  I was thinking of cutting it 1in and finishing at 3/4.

Loren

[Paul_H]

I think she will like it.Carla likes the look of the Fir,and knows it will darken.Other floors we've seen,still hold up well.

Is there much meat on the outside of the rings on your logs?We had a block last Spring that had a lot of pitch ring.It screwed us up a bit for the 7x10 x20'  order,but we got a lot of good clear, smaller dimensions out of it.

Good luck on the house.

[Frank_Pender]

When Are you bringing those logs over for me to cut your flooring, Loren.   :D I can cut around that sap ring very easily.

[Oregon_Rob]

Easy now Frank!
I should be ready by mid Feb.
I know, you blade is set and the decks are clear!

 ;D

[Oregon_Sawyer]

Frank

I don't know how to get them on a trailer so that I can bring them to you.  If I knew how I would put a picture of them on this site.  Youve seen them but they are 64inchs on the scale end.  I had four logs from the same tree.  The gross scale was almost 10,000 bd ft.  I've got acouple great bid cedars too.

I have one cedar that is curved we might use your slaber on that one Frank.

Loren

[Paul_H]

We had a different kind of day with the planer.The guy with the 1x8 phoned me the other day,and said he was going to take our advice,and kiln dry it.Could we t&g it for him? He had bought the wood from a small mill that went broke a while back.

The weather was cooperating,so we set it up for today(Wednesday).I put a set of sharp knives on,and we were ready.

This morning it was snowing,and the truck was bringing the wood in from a town an hour and a half away.When it got here,it wasn't tarped properly,and was wet and covered with road sand.Glen tried to talk me out of planing it,but I didn't want to leave the customer stranded.We cleaned it best we could,and after a slow start,we ran it through.

2000' later,my knives were wore down,and chipped up :-/.You could see how the finished face had gotten rougher as it went along.The t&g was fine.

Glen counted one nail,and several staples that came out the other side.I was feeding,but hadn't noticed any metal.

I learned something today. 1. Next time specify clean wood,or it will be refused,and keep our own wood from our mill off the ground at all times.
2.Keep Rolaids on hand.

[Buzz-sawyer]

Hey Paul
Do you still have/run this set up?

[Paul_H]

Buzz,

Yes we still run it and have got things tweaked and running better.Heads have been built up and re-machined and new bearings all around.

This year so far we have only S4S 2x6 & 2x8, and V Grooved 3/4 Cedar panelling.

[Don P]

Well, I rounded the bend today. As I was rounding the bend, I saw a molder sitting on one of the local loggers gooseneck trailers. As my truck slid into his yard, I hopped up and was admiring his find. I asked him what he was going to do with it, "I'm taking it down to the scrapyard tomorrow, should bring about $400" I asked if it ran, and he said it was running in the furniture plant a few years ago, no heads came with, but the discussion was on  :D. It has 3 phase motors and I was kinda skeptical about building that big a rotophase..."Oh we got one of them too, figured it would fetch another 3 or 4 hunnerd for scrap" We went to his buddy's house to peruse that find, it's got a 40 horse single phase running a monster Allis Chalmers 3 ph, its about 7 feet long and wound up upside down on his trailer, so I couldn't look too good, but I figure the 1ph 40 is worth the price of the whole deal. Michelle is shaking her head, I came home and told her I just bought 7 tons of old iron...now I just need to figure out how to unload it. Its a Vonnegut, if any of you have parts sources, I'm sure I'll be looking.

[Paul_H]

Right on  8)
I hope there are some pictures comin.

[dail_h]

   Shoot,ya gotta start somewhere. That AC stuff was built good

[Paul_H]

Vonnegut Link

Don,is this the machine?

[Frank_Pender]

Don P., no offence, but you are beginning to gain and the volumn of scrap some us collect from one another.   You and David Gilman are running neck and neck for first place.  I will have to get him down here again to see what else I can pawn off onto him. 8) 8) 8) 8) :D

[Don P]

I hear you Frank, I'm glad I "saved back" that too big blower she wanted me to get rid of. It weren't too big, I just needed to add to my empire :D.

Dail, the AC motor on the rotophase is a beast, it would take 2 men to reach around that thing. It looks like one of those big old slower rpm models. I think I'll have to have a talk with the power co engineer before I throw juice to that thing, I could see lines falling off the pole ???

I'm not sure of the model yet Paul, http://www.owwm.com/PhotoIndex/detail.asp?id=357 is the same layout as the machine though. That one in your link is LOTS purtier. It does have sectional feed and the cranks all seemed to move freely. One motor had been gutted, I've done work for the owners of the local rewind shop, so hopefully...

They were going to try to flip the phase converter tomorrow with the knuckle boom at a nearby sawmill and then we'll try to unload after work tomorrow. I've got some locust 6x8's and some pipe and there's a winch on the front of his gooseneck to spot it off the dovetail. We had rain today so it might be yard art for awhile if we can't go off the driveway.

[Don P]

Question of the day,
The "phase converter"...isn't, its 2 3ph motors connected by a belt, a 48 and a 75 ??? If I spin the big motor off a gas motor, is it a generator?

We had another inch of rain yesterday, got stuck pretty good. A neighbor is bringing a backhoe tonite, but the molder is here  8).

[Don P]

Well, Tony said "it took an act of congress, but we got 'er done".
We first buried his truck and trailer, my tractor and truck, and we decided we needed bigger stuff. He brought out the knuckle boom and tried to lift and slide it off the dovetail. The trailer had kinda come to a rest at a slight angle and when 10,000 lbs hit the matchsticks we had put in the stake pockets...well lets just say it wasn't looking pretty. He went back and got the dozer and first pushed the molder back on the trailer, then chained to the uphill side while Lewis ran the boom and Larry worked the winch on the trailer...nuthin to it  ;D. I guess I'll build the building around it  :D.

It is the 12" Vonnegut. While I was searching info on the internet I found out that #1 Kurt Vonnegut wrote lotsa books, and he is the great grandson of Anton Vonnegut, the founder of the molder company. We had a Vonnegut sander in one shop I worked in, but I guess I'm slow, I'd not put 2 and 2 together. Anyway, I learned lotsa literature so far and 2 hits on the molder. I think I'll e-mail the guy on the OWWM site that has one and see what kind of info he has.


This pic is from the infeed end, that's a Mt Dew can for scale.
Its a push feed molder as opposed to a thru feed machine. The front 3 handwheels are all part of the feed and front guide assembly, the drum switches on the lower front are for the heads and feed motors, 2 forward speeds, 1 reverse. , then the heads are in order, top, left, right, bottom. The last patent date is 1925. I wonder how many miles of wood has been through this thing.

[dail_h]

   Hey Don,
   If you can paw around the mill where this came from,ya might get lucky,an find the heads