Jeff, Tom and others; I am SO GLAD to hear people speak up in support of the warmth and friendliness aspect of this group. It keeps me coming back with a feeling of 'coming home' to be among friends. I suspect those who don't like this aspect or find it irrelevant will be well served by the knowledge base- but I find the grits and the gravy go right along with the DBH and the Huskys. Man cannot live by sawdust alone...lw