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Is there an industrial swing saw ?
« on: January 30, 2006, 01:13:04 PM »
I like the idea of the small less expensive, thin kerf blade, and  cutting and edging in one cycle.   But, I don't need to be portable. and would like something heavier then the Peterson or Lucas swing saws.  Are there heavy-duty swing saws ?  I'm thinking making one.  Any ideas of what issues I might find with gyroscopics of rotating a turnig blade ?

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Re: Is there an industrial swing saw ?
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2006, 01:20:19 PM »
Define heavier...heavier duty??  The only thing that would make an ASM more industrial would be a set of steel log bunks.  That is commercially available.  Many have purchased WM bed sections for this job or fabricated from scratch. 

I'm in the middle of plans for a building to setup an automated swing mill in permanently, I'm tired of working in the rain and having to come in a dark.

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Re: Is there an industrial swing saw ?
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2006, 01:27:53 PM »
I like the idea of the small less expensive, thin kerf blade,


Yea...but thier aint one :D :D :D :D
In order to be inexpensive , a blade losses the characteristics needed to be dependable, or thin....
I toured Menominee saw show last summer and saw a lot of blades being built....but not the one you described...or I woulda bought it :)
If you like circle mills the blades peterson and lucas use are pretty neat, and inexpensive.....

compared to heavy commercial blades which cost about $2000 now.
sounds like what you may want is a Mobile Dimension or a mighty might.....OR BETTER yet contact Lindsey at D&L double cut and have him make what you want.....
Are you gonna build one yourself....I have worked on severaland would be glad to help. :)
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Re: Is there an industrial swing saw ?
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2006, 02:26:59 PM »
Take a look at Petersons' thin kerf blade.  Full 6" cuts.

That's pretty awesome..  8)
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Re: Is there an industrial swing saw ?
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2006, 07:06:48 PM »
Maybe something like this?




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Re: Is there an industrial swing saw ?
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2006, 07:48:38 PM »
Just when I thought it was finally safe to go back outside..  :o..............  :D
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Re: Is there an industrial swing saw ?
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2006, 08:04:02 PM »
Dangerousdan sticks again.Boy,you gotta love this guy.I went to work and told everyone about that outdoor furnace of yours.Everyone was impressed.
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Re: Is there an industrial swing saw ?
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2006, 08:20:55 PM »
Don't worry it's still safe to go outside, the mill is not done yet but I'm working on it.
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Hey, rfa
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2006, 09:18:05 PM »
Hey, rfa,

have you checked this:

http://www.brandxsawmills.com/

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Re: Is there an industrial swing saw ?
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2006, 09:56:04 PM »
Yeah BrandX looks like a nice machine alot heavier.  But I want to build my own What is that Dangerous_Dan thing.  Thats what I'm talking about.  I was thinking about a electric motor.  How many horse ?  What RPM and what are you useing for a blade ?  Were can you get blades for these.  I like it.  Please tell me more.

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Re: Is there an industrial swing saw ?
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2006, 10:20:14 PM »
Motor is 15 hp 3 phase.
Blade is the Simmonds 8 inch cut Lucas copy from Bailey's. $150
I currently have it geared for 2500 rpm but I'm told the lucas blade should run at 3600 rpm.  Anyone have experience running this blade at different speeds? I have not even run the motor yet.
The frame is 2 inch OD .095 wall, round tubing (another great scrapyard find, 30 brand new pieces still bundled with tag, $95).
What else you wanna know??
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Re: Is there an industrial swing saw ?
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2006, 11:27:02 PM »
How do you have the different axis rigged for movement I saw some chain in one picture ?  Any automation ? What is the overall dia. of the blade and the kerf width ? I heard the bradx has holes through the blade so you can spray water on one side that will go through to cool both sides. that sounds smart.

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Re: Is there an industrial swing saw ?
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2006, 11:41:37 PM »

The frame is 2 inch OD .095 wall, round tubing (another great scrapyard find, 30 brand new pieces still bundled with tag, $95).
What else you wanna know??

I wanna know if you bent that tubing yerself or if it already had some bends in it.  ;D  ........... What gearbox are you using? What Ratio? When is the first test run?
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Re: Is there an industrial swing saw ?
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2006, 01:30:33 AM »
Dan,

Very nice, its apparent that you have put much thought and planning into your mill. I`m building a 90 degree dimensional mill, using 2 Bailey blades, 2 Kohler engines.Wish I had 3 phase power here.  I hope mine turns out as nice as yours. Nice job.

Glenn

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Re: Is there an industrial swing saw ?
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2006, 10:02:14 AM »
rfa,if you want to read about Dangerousdan outdoor furnace and his other projects,click on to his name on the above reply,this will bring you to his profile page.You should see Send A Message,Read Posts,click on to Read Posts,this should bring you to Show Posts,you want Page 4,post 67.Lots of interesting projects here.
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Re: Is there an industrial swing saw ?
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2006, 08:20:02 PM »

Horizontal cut.

Vertical cut.

Motor and pulleys.

The vertical height is controlled by a gearbox and #40 roller chain. 1 turn of the handle is 1 inch, each spoke is 1/4 inch.

The track and wheels came from a Frick 01 carrage.

Glenn- I don't have 3 phase either. My shop has a converter but I don't know if it can run 15 HP. If that don't work plan B is to run it off a 30Kw Onan genset I use to power my current mill. If 15 HP is pleny I might try a 10 HP single phase if I can get one cheap.
Woodbowl- I used a GreenLee conduit bender. There is no gearbox, just belts. Nice and simple. I don't know the ratio off hand but 2500 rpm was my calculatd blade speed for the pulleys that are on there. First test run in a week or so.  I hope. Everything takes many times longer than I think it should. Progress is slow.
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Re: Is there an industrial swing saw ?
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2006, 11:06:07 PM »
YOU DA MAN!!

I'd pay just to watch ya fire that thing up and try it the first time ;D

There's just some deep dark manly hormone that enjoys seeing a big pile of scrap turned into something really useful. My hat goes off to ya !

YOU DA MAN!!
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Re: Is there an industrial swing saw ?
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2006, 04:37:42 PM »
Here's an update.
I tried running it with my shops phase converter (5 hp motor running as a  rotary converter). No good. Motor starts to spin and breaker trips.
Plan B. Onan genset relocated to outside my shop. Motor now starts and runs nice.





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Re: Is there an industrial swing saw ?
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2006, 05:43:26 PM »
That is awesome Dan,

I need that very deal to hang my Husky 3120 chainsaw from with a long bar to slab monster logs.

How time consuming is the frame to make?  smiley_beertoast smiley_beertoast  smiley_beertoast



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Re: Is there an industrial swing saw ?
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2006, 05:57:09 PM »
Do you think the 15hp will be enough for hardwood ?
Did it seem ridgid enough ?
Good job looks great 8) 8)


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