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So how big you want'em ?
« on: February 09, 2006, 11:24:45 AM »
Took the camera and tripod out on my daily strole today. Took some pictures of some good sized trees (for New Brunswick) on my neighbors' woodlots. They are next door to mine. Unlike some areas of the world, folks where I live don't get bent out of shape if you want to go for a walk on their woodlot. I'de never drive an ATV or other vehicle on anyones ground without permission or without having business being there. As long as your behaving yourself and not doing damage to their trees or ground, no one cares. So here are some nice trees, you can draw your own opinion of that feller leaning hard on the trees. :D :D :D


I'm six feet in front of that trembling aspen, the camera was too far away for the remote to reach the camera if I stood beside the tree. :D :D I'll let you guess the diameter on that one. ;)


A balsam fir, 18 inches width at my shoulder.


A white birch, 18 inches width at my shoulder


A white spruce, 20 inches at my shoulder.


I'de be very surprised if the neighbor ever logs this area any time soon. In fact I'm sure he's never walked in here over the last 15 years. Last time it was logged was 25 years ago. :D

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Re: So how big you want'em ?
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2006, 12:18:00 PM »
Funny you should post this, earlier today I was looking at the state and federal big tree registry, and some of those are pretty amazing. 


Maybe....the forestry forum could start our own big tree register  ???

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Re: So how big you want'em ?
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2006, 12:51:58 PM »
I wasn't really impressed with the tree heights in there. Looks like 20 meters (65 feet) for the tallest trees, but it's probably because they were not grown very tight.

I measured some red spruce up on the Wapske River that were 33 m tall. There is a photo of one someplace on the forum that was 22 in DBH. If I'm over in the Napadogan region this summer I have to get some photos of some big cedar.

Anyway, these guys have a sawmill and these nice softwood logs.  ::) They buy all their logs for sawing, they seem to be concentrating on cedar. They aren't setting the world on fire with the sawing, but just the same. The fir are amazingly healthy looking with nice pitch blisters on them. But, I wouldn't be banking on them being in good shape 10 years from now. They are longer lived up this way than in southern NB, but are still a short lived tree at 90 years. See, this ground around the area of my woodlot and neighbors burned almost 100 years ago, my grand mother was a young girl then (born in 1900) and she could remember it. I have found some big old cedar stumps with charcoal in them.  Father cut 300 cord of aspen on ten acres in 1984, and aspen was all he cut. That's besides the hardwood and softwood that were later cut on the same ground.  8)

I'de like to see people post pictures of trees their proud of. Maybe this could be the start of such a thread to show off your favorite crop trees. ;D
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Re: So how big you want'em ?
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2006, 01:27:15 PM »
Those are some nice pics Swamp.  We have some birch on our land in that same general size w/ alot of new growth still starting to grow on someof the areas that we logged off about 15 years ago.  As for trembling poplar I don't really know if we have them here.  We have similar trees to them that we call black poplar.  It is not a very strong wood and easily rots when exposed to the weather.  It will however last for years if it is kept wet all the time when used as barn flooring or well cribbing.  Doesn't even make that good of firewood.
  When it comes to the white spruce we have alot of them.  These mature trees are in the neighbourhood of 65 feet tall and a few have even reached the 75 feet mark.  Most of these matrue spruce range in the 18-32" dbh with a portion of them even up to 52" dbh.  This is when I wished I had a camera to go out and compare your trees to mine.  I did send some of my 35mm photographs to the Boss so they can be scanned and shared with the ff members.
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Re: So how big you want'em ?
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2006, 11:31:40 AM »
SD, it's funny, I just stumbled across this thread while wandering exploring the vast amount of info. on this site, while I was doing that I was unloading a bunch of pictures from the card in my camera.

I took this picture of my loving wife (for scale of course) next to one of the white pines at my cottage. I thought I had one of her next to the big one out back, but I can't find it now.



This is just one of many this size and bigger left on the property. There's also a good number of oaks, and maples, as well as some pretty DanG big hemlocks.
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Re: So how big you want'em ?
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2006, 11:46:46 AM »
That's a dandy Murph. Not too many white pine around here now, they were cut long ago except a few scraglers. There are other areas of the province that have lots and their is a sawmill that saws them exclusively. All my pine are seedlings that the moose like to rub the branches and bark off. I found a red pine seedling on the edge of my property and it looked like the moose really hated that poor tree. What he didn't strip off he stomped into the ground. ::)  :D I might be able to get a hemlock pick in a bit. There aren't many around here now.

Thanks for the great pic Murph.  :)
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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2006, 11:53:16 AM »
I think there is a mill in Jay, NY that saws only white pine, Wards maybe.  Those are some pretty impressive trees, the tallest I've ever seen anyway.  I was real disappointed when they told me I couldn't cut any down when we were 'practicing' our timber harvesting in college, then again the saws they let us use only had 16 or 18" bars, which would have been barely enough for some of them cuttin from both sides.
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Re: So how big you want'em ?
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2006, 01:59:12 PM »


Eastern Hemlock, 44 inches at my shoulders. This is on a hardwood ridge as you can see the diseased beech and sugar maple. Biggest, honkenest hemlock I've seen in these parts. As big as some of the largest white pine I've seen so far in NB. :D I know we have some large pine, but not very many larger than this tree. I know where there is one other 3 or 4 miles away on another farm.

;D ;D ;D I wanna see some big 'eastern trees', ok you guys out west can show some too. Now I wanna see some still standing and living, not logged and long extinct ones. :D :D :D
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2006, 02:33:08 PM »


Here's a western red cedar from the Charlottes. Ok  ::) so I had to inspire ya a bit. Can ya spot the little troll knome? :D :D
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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2006, 02:45:00 PM »
Taxes are almost here, and my shoppin list has a new digital camera on it,  8)

Used to have some pics of big white pine - Might have a few pics on a disk here I'll hafta take a look, hopefully if I do there will be some way to show scale in them, I usually use my knife stuck in the bark not sure bout in these though.
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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2006, 02:50:45 PM »
""""""""I took this picture of my loving wife (for scale of course""""""""""Do you use Doyle or? :D :D :D
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2006, 02:52:19 PM »
Jon, I think Wards have a  in Maine. They take veneer spruce 18 inch top and up. I'm not sure about their current operations.


[edit] I've confused it with another mill I think. There is a Ward cabin though that uses cedar.
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2006, 07:10:17 PM »
Here are some fine specimens from the 45th parallel. Doesn't quite match up to that nice southern pine that grows so fast and tall, but I wouldn't mind a couple of hundred acres of this eastern white pine.

The stand density of the shelterwood (about 40 acres) is at 110-120 BA and the majority of the trees are 100-110' tall.

I didn't quite match the 44" hemlock that Swampdonkey produced, but that tree looked as if it had substantial butt flare and should be measured at 6.5'  :)

The top pic is the shelterwood (notice, no limbs), the middle pic is a 40" WP, the bottom pic is a 36" eastern hemlock (blue spot) with a 36" eastern white pine in the background to the left. The cruiser stick is 38.75" long.







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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2006, 07:44:05 PM »
Well I was hope'n we'd see some of them pine from Maine. Those are some beautiful trees. Lucky there isn't a see of balsam fir seedlings in under'm. Anyone got some pics of those big spruce up along the Allagash? They keep showing videos of that area on TV and looks untouched. How did they escape the old loggers up there from cutting and floating them down the river?

I was wonder'n. How are we gonna measure that western red cedar? Bring a jet pack and I'll secure one end of a 30 meter logger's tape using a latter, while you jet around the trunk at 10 feet up like a humming bird. ;D :D

My but would be sag'n to after 300 years. :D :D :D
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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2006, 08:20:47 PM »
I have a few big ones left.I have a logger coming the end of the month to do some cutting of the big ones.Of all winter to have it done,the ground is not really froze yet.The big pine is really too much for my tractor.We did cut down alot of big pines and twiched them out with this 40 hp tractor.I have many that are 3 feet across.My father passed away close to 80 and he could not remember it ever being cut off.I do not have a digtal camera.The way you all talk,there is no way to scan pictures,put the scan pictures in MY Pictures and then send them to FF?
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« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2006, 08:33:27 PM »
This is an interesting article on big tree hunters:

Big tree hunters

I've had this one bookmarked for a few years now. This is big business, this tree hunting:

Big trees

Hey cfarm, is that your pine off of 156? There are some nice shelterwood stands right on the black top (just west of n. chesterville) that will make someone a nice spring lot. That is nice country over there. I've seen a lot of turkeys driving through the Farmington/New sharon area.

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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2006, 08:56:30 PM »
That is not mine pine off 156.You have to walk about a mile to see mine.I live on the Fayette side.In fact I own land in Chesterville and Fayette.I live off from the Ridge Road past the Eskers.The turkeys have cometh.They ate all of our low bush blue berries 2 years ago and last year they ate my Buttercup seeds right out of the ground,I have declared war on them critters.My dogs has fits when he sees them.
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« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2006, 09:13:01 PM »
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That should work, as long as you save the scanned images in .jpg format, and then size them to max 400 pixels longest side, and then save them in file size of 30kb or less, (if I have it figured out correctly).  :)
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« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2006, 07:24:39 AM »


American Elm 44 inches, measured at 6 feet above the ground. You can see a big burl on the left side.



Picture of tree in forest grown conditions. This tree really doesn't count because it's dead from dutch elm disease. It was alive in the picture though. I think I took the picture in 1986. The woodlot was liquidated afterword by the neighbor. Although they left the elm the disease found it.

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« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2006, 07:44:58 AM »
On the Charlottes I measured Sitka spruce ranging it height from 65 to 70 meters (208-224 feet) and 2.3 to 2.8 meters (90-110 inches) at DBH. They are recorded on cruise cards with the Queen Charlotte office of the Ministry of Forests, if you knew the block # and License # you could look them up. The block of forest was never logged and you can drive within 500 meters of it. If someone was ever up at Peregrin Lodge and had a map you could get there by road. If I remember correctly there was over 2800 m^3/ha including the cedar and hemlock. 300 m^3/ha would be exceptionally rare around here. If you find a stand with 200 m^3/ha here, the logger would have to change his shorts.  :D
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