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Hoosier Cabinet?
« on: August 13, 2006, 04:44:20 PM »
My wife bought this yesterday and is planning on stripping the paint and replacing knobs and trashing the the plastic panels in the doors.Somebody in the 1970's by the looks of the plastic panelling and the dark brown arborite did a remodel on this and she would like to finish it more to original.

It had a tin top with enamel that came with it but it doesn't fit by a long shot and we are wondering if these have wood counter tops? When I look underneath,it appears original where the top meets the cabinet so I'm thinking it was originally wood.The top is t&g and is full of tiny insect holes but the rest of the cabinet is free of holes.

Would there have been a screen in the cupboard doors or the tin pie safes.She is not hung up on getting it exactly as original although close would be nice.





This next pic was taken from up underneath where the flour bin sits





Any recomendations for the top?








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Re: Hoosier Cabinet?
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2006, 05:51:10 PM »
Hard to tell from photos, but that piece looks "married" in that the top and the bottom are not original to each other. The top is very ornate, the bottom is comparatively simple in design. In all the Hoosier style bakers cabinets I have seen, none had that kind of scroll work on the top and appears more like a 70's interpretation of Early American. The ppb holes in just one section of the piece also raises suspicion. Does the top show age on the inside and are the top and bottom made from the same wood?
Most of the originals I have seen have porcelain enamel tops, but I have seen wood. Most doors are all wood but the glass ones I've seen are usually frosted glass.
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Re: Hoosier Cabinet?
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2006, 08:19:44 PM »
Brad,

you had me wondering so I went out and had a really good look.The pics below are of two drawers,the small one on top is from the top cabinet and the larger one on the bottom is from the bottom cabinet just above the flour bin.





The top cabinet and the bottom are separate from each other but appear to be the same wood and construction except the back of the top  has had a 1/4" plywood repair in the past.Each of the top cupboards has a tin bottom to it.

The bug holes are only in the counter top in the bottom section underneath where the arborite had been. ???
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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2006, 09:06:39 PM »
Certainly looks like they belong together!
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Re: Hoosier Cabinet?
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2006, 09:37:56 PM »
This is what our hoosier looks like.
The bottom part looks to be old,but that top is newer to me.I have seen punched tin in the doors,but we prefer the wood look.We have probaly seen about 50 hoosiers in our antique travels and most look like the one we have.Some make be smaller,some bigger.The big draw that is open in the last picture on the first group of pictures should be all tin,except for the front.This is where we keep our bread.Out enamel top can slide out a foot for more work area.I have seen one with a wood top.Do a search on hoosiers and that should help you.I side with Brad_S,looks like a married piece to me too.
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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2006, 09:39:30 PM »
One other thought on the porcelain top. The top hutch and the bottom hutch are usually connected with metal braces that let the porcelain top slide in and out to offer the cook more counter space, as thecfarm mentioned. Could this extra sliding capability be the reason you don't think the top fits the base?
Here is a link to one style of connectors. If yours doesn't have a means of connecting the top and bottom while allowing the porcelain base to float free, see if there are hints of old screw holes on the bottom of the top piece and the top of the bottom piece near the back. http://www.vandykes.com/product/02226646/
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Re: Hoosier Cabinet?
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2006, 09:53:00 PM »
When did it become popular to call those content holding think-a-muh-jigs in a cabinet, a Draw?   We always called them Drawers or a Drawer, until Norm came on the scene.   Is this a coloquial thing or did I miss something when I was younger?   ??? :)
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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2006, 11:01:36 PM »
While we were in Calgary we visited Heritage park and saw a starter home that was offered as a kit to Canadians at the turn of the century.The package included 60 acres of land and a small house that looks to be the size of a box car with storm windows and had a cabinet(painted cream White) similar to the one i've shown and a small woodstove all for $1500.

The flour bin shown in the first set of pics is all tin.I'm really perplexed here because the top is made of the same material,has identical hinges and appears to be the same age and colour wood as the bottom cabinet.The joints are the same too but I realise that would be easy enough to copy.



here is a look at the t&g on the underside of the top cabinet



...and the top of the bottom cabinet



Rollers for the flour bin





What is meant by the term married?Does that mean two separate but similar pieces joined to make one?

Brad,

the porcelin top that came with it is an inch too wide to fit between the base of the upper cabinet.It looks very similar to cfarm's,would be nice if it was would fit the base.

Thanks for the insights
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Re: Hoosier Cabinet?
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2006, 11:53:35 PM »
Paul, I did an Image Search on Google and got pictures of lots and lots of Hoosier Cabinets. It should give you an idea of the many different designs that are out there. Who knows, you might even find one that looks similar to what you have.

 http://images.google.com/images?q=hoosier+cabinet&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images
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« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2006, 11:55:05 PM »
The term "married" in the antiques field is a term of derision. It is the taking of unrelated pieces and putting them together and passing them off as original. When done with some thought it can be hard to pick out but when done poorly, the resulting piece has a "something is just not right here" look that even neophytes pick up on. Examples would include a pine top on oak table legs, hardware from one period style inappropriately applied to another style, etc. Especially prone to being married are furnishings that are in several pieces. It's easy to pick up just the upper or lower half of something at an auction and "marry" it to something that's been sitting at the back of the workshop waiting for a mate. >:(
Married pieces are usually paired up by unscrupulous dealers that are out to make a quick buck on someones ignorance. They usually would not go to the effort of matching wood, joints and hardware. That would take too much time, effort and skill and would kill the profit. The fact that yours matches in all these respects would seem to indicate the pieces belong together, although I have to say your piece is one of the most unique bakers cabinets I've seen. It's that very top plate rack that is so different. It gives it a top heavy feel.
IMO, replace the plastic with what you feel you like. If you want to hide the cupboard contents, frosted glass will give it a more formal look, punched tin a more primitive country feel. If you want to display items that will be seen, clear glass or wire would be fine.
Many of these cabinets were made to be painted with rather ugly wood underneath. Once you get it stripped you will be able to tell if it will look good stained or if it should be painted again.
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Re: Hoosier Cabinet?
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2006, 12:08:36 AM »
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When did it become popular to call those content holding think-a-muh-jigs in a cabinet, a Draw?   We always called them Drawers or a Drawer, until Norm came on the scene.   Is this a coloquial thing or did I miss something when I was younger? 


It's a New England accent thing. It's how you would say drawer if you had misplaced your r's. Get the idear?  ;D


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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2006, 12:16:59 AM »
I followed one of the Google photos Charlie posted and found this sequence of construction of a reproduction Hoosier.
Of interest is the sawmill in MI where they get their wood. It has one of those orange things in the background.
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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2006, 12:24:12 AM »
Brad,

it's dark outside now so I can't see clearly anymore but here is a blurry pic from earlier today ;D
The plate rack may have been added because the wood is quite dark and has a somewhat more "aged" look.The pic shows the plywood added to the back of the upper cabinet and the corner where the top and the plate rack meet



I believe Carla wants a painted  informal look for the kitchen,she really liked the homely look of the the one at Heritage Park.She is working on a ugly ol' farm table right now,the type with a small drawer underneath and turned legs so I'm getting the idea that it's a farmhouse look she's going for.

Great link Charlie,I'll pass it on to Carla!
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« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2006, 04:39:51 AM »
Tom,I missed spelling in the third grade.  ;D  I say drawer,but I spelled it draw.I knew what I meant to say.
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« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2006, 08:33:06 AM »
Norm Abrahm is a heck of a craftsman and woodworker and I drool over his tools and workshop... never could figure out how he says the word "drawer" though :D  My mouth just aint made right to say it like that :)
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« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2006, 08:44:55 AM »
I was just wondering.   ???

Figured Norm had coined a word. :D
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« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2006, 09:41:42 AM »
   Here is a “Hoosier” I got from my mothers neighbor that I am trying to refinish and fix.
   The reason that I put Hoosier in quotes is that these days so may people use Hoosier Cupboard so loosely that some people have no idea what a true Hoosier cupboard is. Hoosier is a company name the style of cupboard was made by several companies. I know the Sellar Company made one that looks just like the Hoosier companies cupboards. Normally there is a metal tag on the cupboard that has the company name on it. My mothers Sellar has the tag but Sellar’s also have a S on the door latches. Mine dose not have any markings on it so I am not sure what it is. But in the research that I have done I am pretty sure that it is a original Hoosier.
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Before I bought this one I had never saw one with colored glass in the doors. But after I found that there are a lot of them out there. I have on piece of glass that has the corner broke. I really do not what to replace it so I hope it dose not brake anymore.



I have the paint stiped out of the inside most of the way but it is not cleaning out of the grain very will at all. I was told to try a heat gun but I am not sure that will even work. I think I am going to strip as much of the old paint off so I know it is not going to chip and just paint the inside agian since I can't get all the paint off.



Here is a picture of how the top fits on. I do not know if the will help you Paul. The top dose hang over the lower cupboard by almost and inch and the metal brackets on the sides hold it in place.


I can't wait to get it refinished and in the house. I still have the doors to strip the doors. There is Red paint under the cream on the doors and it is not coming off very easy. Then I have to get the bottom all taken apart. It was in a basement that was very damp and the panels have warped and the bottom stringer had came lose on one end. Any tips on getting the other joints apart????

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« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2006, 10:51:41 AM »
Thanks Katie,that's a great project you've got happening there.I'm glad you cleared up the "Hoosier" name.We were under the assumption that it was a generic name for a particular style of cabinet much the way couch or sofa are used and didn't know it was a company name.I'll bet this was made in Canada.
What would the name used to describe this type of cabinet?

Do you have any recent pics showing your progress?
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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2006, 01:08:23 PM »
Katie-did,
The paint will be tough to get out of the pores in the oak.  Sherwin Williams had a stripper that you apply a fabric backing to after spreading the stripper on the wood.  After many hours - can't remember off the top of my head - you peel the whole thing off.  I used it on some woodwork in the house, and it got 90% of the paint. 8) 8)  There were many layers.  A wire brush and stripper will help with the pores.  Be careful, too, that the old paint is not lead based.
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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2006, 04:26:23 PM »
Thanks Metalspinner
I  don't know how well that would work now since I have all the paint off but what is in the grain. I did a chest of  darws that was oak and I used a brass brush to get it out but it is not working on this. Don't know if it is because of the kind of paint or what.
I know about the lead based paint thing. That is why I want to get most of it off before I would even paint it. The nice part is that they did not paint the bottom so all I have to do is strip the inside of the top. 8)

Paul thanks I just hope I get it finished someday soon. I have been working on it for 2 years now. I don't have room in the shop to work on it so I can only work on it in the summer and well I have this Husband that thinks he can stack lumber in all of the Garage in the summer.  ::)  :-X I am hoping to work some more yet this summer.
No I do not have any new pictures but when I get it back out I will try and take some.
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