Plans for some really beefy saw horses?

[Woodbender]

Boy I ask a lot of questions don't I?

I saw some seriously cool oak double mortise n tenon saw horses in (one of) Jack Sorbon's books (can't remember which one).

Somebody have plans for some really beefy saw horses that you can WORK on?  Those in Jack's book were pretty cool but my skills are not there yet.

Any pics worth drooling over hopefully?
And thanks again folks.

[beenthere]

You gotta look at Jim RogersGilman's 'horses' fer sur.

I'll see what I kin find.

Here is a thread
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=258.msg223078#msg223078

Larry and Bibbyman's wonderful wife Mary made some   ;D

And I believe there is a photo of the timber frame horse, like it was a beginner project for timber framer wanna-be's......

[Woodbender]

Larry and Bibbyman have the same wife?? Pretty laid back forum guys.  :D

Larry and Bibbyman's wonderful wife Mary made some   ;D

I'll check out the thread - thanks!  :D

[Furby]

Kevjay has a nice strong set as well, maybe we can pry the plans out of him. ;)

[Don P]

Larry and Bibbyman have the same wife??

Kevjay has a nice strong set as well

Whew, glad we got that all sorted out  :D

[mark davidson]

here are a couple of sketches....



I've used the timber horses above plenty, I made the mortice and tenon connections a bit loose for breakdown/travel. mine are 5x6 spruce and the beams are 7ft long, I can drop a bundle of 9pcsx10"x10"x16' on these horses.... plenty strong. The link below has a better photo of the --Photos MUST be in the Forestry Forum gallery!!!!!--.com/albums/c192/mk59/timberhorses.jpg




these are a sketch of Steve Chappell's timber ponies.... from A Timberframer's Workshop.

[Woodbender]

Mark I sent you a PM

here are a couple of sketches....

[Jim_Rogers]

Are you looking for something like this:



I have this drawing in pdf and can forward it to anyone....
Just let me know, you can revise to suit your needs.

Jim Rogers

[TexasTimbers]

Don you are incorrigible. ;D

I had lots of plans I'd gleaned and been given but in the end I shot from the hip because there was something about all of them I did not like. On most of the horses the feet did not spread out as far as my liking.

I used Timberlinx on one to practice with those, and I used traditional M&T joints on the others to practice those. They all look the same. They are STURDY! I used loblolly pine on the smaller sets and ERC on the large pair because you are not supposed to use ERC for Timber horses. : Rediculous I say. You could drive a Mack truck up on these things.

I'll try to snap a picture and sketch you some plans if you don't find anything you like woodbender.

[Raphael]

...because you are not supposed to use ERC for Timber horses. : Rediculous I say. You could drive a Mack truck up on these things.

  Could there be some other reason not to use ERC. ???
Based on my limited experience it's certainly not a weak wood and will hold up to the elements better than my EWP horses.

[Woodbender]

Jim if you're willing to send that as a PDF (or JPG, TIFF, dxf or dwg) I'd be grateful. I can print any of those.

And thanks! ;D

Are you looking for something like this:
(clipped)
I have this drawing in pdf and can forward it to anyone....
Just let me know, you can revise to suit your needs.

Jim Rogers

[Jim_Rogers]

Tim:
I just sent you some plans.
Jim Rogers

[Woodbender]

Received and a big THANK you there Jim!

[TexasTimbers]

Could there be some other reason not to use ERC. ???
Based on my limited experience it's certainly not a weak wood and will hold up to the elements better than my EWP horses.

I have been told by a few not toi build with ERC as it is not a "suitable wood for construction". I agree you have to be careful how you put it in tension but there are beau coup buildings in the south built with it.

[Jayson]

I have been using some horses that breakdown but I don't have a photo. I can draw a pair but I need to fax to someone that can scan and post them. I will try to find a photo. PM me if you can scan and post. I use 6x6x4' for the heads. The legs are 2" or 3" x 5" @ 2' long. Hey can I send some pics to someone from my phone to an email address that is willing to load them here? I am on the shop computer and do not have a way to compress them here. When the pics are loaded to key #'s are 1,2 and 4. The angle to remember is 1 to 4. I make my legs 24" long but that may be short for some folks. If you are working big timbers (over 8") they work out just about right.

[Engineer]

I can snap a photo of the ones we built for my house frame.   Basically a beefed up version of a "normal" horse using rough sawn lumber.   They've had a few tons of timbers stacked on them.   I'd rather have Jim's version though - you can't break that at ALL.

[Jayson]

Ok this is the head.
This is with the leg inserted.
Remember the key numbers 1,2,and 4. The angle is a 1 to 4 which is 14 degrees.
Also remember the bevel on the head is to the outside and on the leg the bevel is to the inside. If you are using rough stock your aris will be the inside of the legs(when looking at the legs from the end of the head, the sides of the legs facing each other). And the other reference face will be the outside (non beveled side) of the legs. So if you were looking at the horse in the pic above the face to the right is reference. Confused yet? Warning unless these horses are loaded or you screw the legs to the head they do not handle lateral movement. In other words you should not slide your timbers across these guys. I make 4' heads for personal horses and 8' or 10' heads for the work site. The more you load them the stronger the joint. make sure to bring your notches on the head away from the end so your end grain doesn't blow out. White oak is my material of choice. If I have made this explanation too complicated and you really want to build a pair PM me and I will send you a sketch. Oh yeah notice that the notch in the head does not pass thru. There is a 1" nub in there. Ok now I'm confused. Good luck . Stumpkin can you help on this one?