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How's your bucking?
« on: April 27, 2007, 03:15:51 PM »
Ever wonder how good your bucking techniques stack up?  Here's a nifty download from Michigan Tech.  Its called HW Buck for Windows.  Its been in development for years, and finally, here it is.

http://forest.mtu.edu/research/hwbuck/downloads.htm

Let's hear how you do.
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Re: How's your bucking?
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2007, 09:31:27 PM »
I suck !   Good thing I am trying to make a living sawing, not logging...

However, it seems to be a fairly easy to use tool to teach the basics of bucking for profit...   No problems down loading, geting it to run, or quickly learning how to use it...

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Re: How's your bucking?
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2007, 07:16:08 AM »
wow I suck at it too :).  It is kind of hard to see sweep on there, and some huge knots can be in and others make the log a cull?   Still a fun thing to fool around with.  The closest I've come to the optimum so far was about 17$, usually I'm about 100$ short  :D 
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Re: How's your bucking?
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2007, 08:19:17 AM »
this is neat.  i'm really bad at it too!

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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2007, 07:39:20 PM »
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Re: How's your bucking?
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2007, 08:54:18 PM »
last grading book I read let me have knots or stain in the last 12" of the board, this doesn't seem to allow that.  I get alot of grade out of logs they call cull.  But then I am just a farmboy sawyer, I don't have a bunches of college education.  Maybe I don't understand their program.
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Re: How's your bucking?
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2007, 08:01:33 AM »
Log grading and board grading aren't necessarily the same thing.  Log bucking determines the value of the tree.  Get it wrong and the value goes down, along with your profits.  If your profits go down, you can't pay the landowner as much, so they end up hurting as well.

This program isn't really designed to be a test.  Its designed to help improve bucking skills. 

   
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Re: How's your bucking?
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2007, 08:09:22 AM »
BBTom,

End use markets and mill products determine what the mill considers a defect. Your end use markets may allow for certain defects while other markets (furniture, high end HW lumber) may deduct for the same defect.

If anyone is uncertain about their bucking efficiency they should get the mills wood-buyer out to their landing and have him/her scale and grade the wood on site (as is done with many veneer plants) and comment as to why they would buck a tree a certain way.

I've never bucked for Doyle or Scribner rule, just Int. 1/4" and local rules designed to fit the wood we have in the region. There are significant differences between Doyle, Scribner, and Int. 1/4" tallys in smaller diameter trees (<24" small end diam.).

Cool software. It's one of those programs where you think: why didn't I think of that??

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Re: How's your bucking?
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2007, 09:05:11 AM »
It`s interesting but it doesn`t seem to allow for "trim" which all buyers insist upon or they will just scale down the footage in your logs to get the trim. I only did one log, maple/doyle, and it took me a minute to figure out why they could get two veneer logs, an 8 and a 10 out of the first ~18' while I only got a 10' veneer log and an 8' sawlog?

I can see the value in the basic premise of the software but I wouldn`t gauge my abilities entirely upon it`s feedback.  ;)

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Re: How's your bucking?
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2007, 09:19:04 AM »
No, I wouldn't gauge my ability based on the software either. It is a neat simulator though.

You have to cut the log 8'8", 9'8", etc, etc. in order to get an 8' or 9' log. I just tried cutting all my logs 8'4" and the tally was 0. The tally may list a 12' log, but it is truly 12'8".

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Re: How's your bucking?
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2007, 07:58:10 PM »
Interesting program.
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« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2007, 10:31:24 PM »
Never really thought deeply about it.  But, the program seems to put an emphasis on trying to get a veneer log out of the butt section of the tree, even if only 8 ft.   If this is real world, this explains why I am having such a hard time trying to get 21 ft saw logs from the local loggers for wagon rails...  The first 8, 10, 12 feet are always getting cut off in an effort to make veneer.  Typically not enough stem left (around here) to have 21 ft remaining.

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Re: How's your bucking?
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2007, 05:49:45 AM »
I've read somewhere that your best log will give you 2/3 of the value of the tree.  The 2 best logs will give you about 90% of the value. 

The guys I mill for have been cutting veneer for years.  I haven't seen a good butt log for a very long time, unless its an off species or there is heavy defect or metal.  Their theory has been that the veneer should pay for the stumpage and the logging expenses.  So, all the logs in the mill yard are basically "free".  They pay top dollar on the stumpage, as most of it is bid timber. 

We do get 23' long logs that are second cuts.  These are cut for long switch ties.  We end up with about a trailer load every other month, depending on what species is coming in.
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Re: How's your bucking?
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2007, 04:59:39 PM »
Around our area, North Central KY, not many oak stems will yield a 21 foot log. Even fewer that will yield a 25 foot log.  When you get further south and east in KY, toward Bill Conley and Big Sid, the trees get taller, but it would still be hard many times to get a 21 or 25 foot second log.

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« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2007, 08:03:56 PM »
Is anyone running this on Windows 2000?  I have been unable to download a working program.
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« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2007, 12:32:29 PM »
I could not get it to install.  I am running Windows XP.  >:(
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Re: How's your bucking?
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2007, 12:51:50 PM »
It took me twice and longer to find what to run and how to get it started.  I think I have it going now but it keeps wanting to cut veneer logs and I don't.  :D
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Re: How's your bucking?
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2007, 10:22:48 PM »
I'd better change lines of work according to my scores  :)
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« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2007, 10:36:44 PM »
Yep, I broke this virtual logging company with the first 8 logs! I figured I better quit cutting them up and save them for someone with a clue
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Re: How's your bucking?
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2007, 11:10:52 PM »
UPDATE!

I still suck. :-\  :D
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