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Problems with my ash
« on: April 28, 2007, 11:43:47 AM »
 

Here's a pic. I took the other evening.  I'm thinking it's an ash tree but won't swear by it.  The concern I have is that about 3/4 up the trunk the bark is hanging off or starting to fall off in a large sheet.  The tree does not appear to have been hit by lightning and is in a short row with a few other ashes and cherrys.  I can see the small leaves beginning to pop out but not sure what to make of the bark problem.  My first thought was, "oh scrap, EAB".  Any thoghts?  I know pic is bad, the sun was going down when I shot it.

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Re: Problems with my ash
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2007, 12:06:15 PM »
Are you seeing any new branch sprouts lower on the main trunk? Thats one sign of EAB. Also, look at any of the bark that falls off for signs of the pest...you will see little meandering trails on the underside of the bark. 
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Re: Problems with my ash
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2007, 12:53:18 PM »
I'll get the pole saw out and peel a chunk off later today.  I hate bugs... >:(
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Re: Problems with my ash
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2007, 01:59:50 PM »
For one thing you have to ID it. If it's not an ash, then of course it can't be EAB.  As you say, we can't tell much from the first photo, but from that it doesn't look like ash to me.

Take a look at how the branches grow.  Ash has opposite branching.  Meaning that the twigs come out exactly opposite each other from a larger branch.
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Re: Problems with my ash
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2007, 02:18:50 PM »
Take a picture in the daylight from a distance so there is a blue skyline behind it. That will give us a silhouette of the tree at least. Branches on open grown trees do tend to bend up from the trunk, then arch down and up on the end (sinusoidal).
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Re: Problems with my ash
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2007, 12:32:47 PM »
OK.  Here are a few more pics. of the offending tree.
Just a pic of the lower part of the crown.
This one show some of the tree dead at the top.
Still not sure it's ash or not but the bark is light and has light mossy stuff growing on it.  I am concerned because in this row is 3 more trees like it, hate to see a disease or bug killem'.

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Re: Problems with my ash
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2007, 06:16:31 PM »
The arching branches sure remind me of ash, but I'de like to see a leaf. Do they have 7 - 9 petioles (leaflets) each joined by a petiolule (leaflet stem) to the main leaf stem, thus making up an entire compound leaf? Kind of similar to walnut leaves? Do a Google on white ash or green ash. The lichen or moss on the tree are not harmful. It could be damage from a blight. Sometimes a fungus hits black ash and can wipe out quite a few of kill half the crown. I don't know what it is, but the leaves turn yellow with black blotches. Did you see any flowers on your tree this spring?



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Re: Problems with my ash
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2007, 06:17:07 PM »
OK Flip.  You might know your ash from a hole in the ground (to borrow from another recent post) ;D.  The tree in the pic is opposite branched as Phorester spoke of (the second pic clearly shows opposite branching).  It looks like ash, but hard to tell for sure from the pic.  I am pretty sure that it is ash, but it could be box elder or even maple.  A pic of a leaf would confirm it.  So, lets say it is ash.  If so, I defer to those who are experts on the emerald ash borer.   If it is ash, you might be in trouble.
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Re: Problems with my ash
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2007, 08:08:34 AM »
I will get up on a ladder or on the loader and try to yank some leaves or get a better pic.  I wasn't able to get to the bark that was falling off (too high) so still don't know what's under it  ???
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Re: Problems with my ash
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2007, 08:14:05 AM »
If it is ash, and you have crown die back and bark falling off at the top of the tree, please call your county extension agent IMMEDIATELY.  Given your location, this is a big deal as no EAB finds have been made that far south.  It could be EAB, it sounds like EAB.  But I am not good enough to diagnose over the internet!   Please call your extension office.
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Re: Problems with my ash
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2007, 08:24:49 AM »
Gee Erin, no matter how far away ya move you can't get away from EAB eh?
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Re: Problems with my ash
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2007, 10:57:31 AM »
DanG, Flip follow Erin's advice.  If it is EAB that would be bad news indeed.  I know it is north of me in and around Indianapolis.  If it is also south of me down your way I am worried.  I have a number of healthy and beautiful ash trees.  I want to keep it that way  ::)
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Re: Problems with my ash
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2007, 12:36:30 PM »
SCRAP! >:(  Now I may have to cut the thing down to see the top ;D ;)

If I do knock it down are there any identifiers besides the EAB beetle itself?
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Re: Problems with my ash
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2007, 10:08:50 PM »
Flip

Look around the bark from eye level and up to the crown of the tree if it is EAB you will see D shaped holes of entry made by the adult. Also, if the tree was perfectly healthy before the infestation you will see shoots or suckers pop up from around the trunk at the ground also the tree will over produce seeds this past year as it is stressed.

AS others have said, look at the inside of the bark for the tracks, they are there by the thousands.

If it is ash and you suspect the EAB have it looked at by a professional ASAP especially if you haven't heard of it being in your area before.  All ash trees in the area will be infested with-in the year.

Your tree will leaf out this year, next year it will show dead branches from the crown up until it's completely dead.

Up here the EAB starts moving around in May so deal with it soon.

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Re: Problems with my ash
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2007, 08:25:23 AM »
OK, I knocked off the loose bark, and pulled off a small group of leaves.

 

 

the trees that are on the left are 2 cherry and 3 ash.  the last ash is about 45" dbh

 
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Re: Problems with my ash
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2007, 08:39:02 AM »
Flip look for these similar galleries on the exposed trunk and the D shaped exit holes in the bark. The holes have an unmistakable shape.

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Re: Problems with my ash
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2007, 08:44:48 AM »
DanG it Jeff, I just went out in the shop with my camera and took some pictures of EAB galleries...not only did you post it first, yours are better :(  Flip, you may not see the extent of galleries that the example has, but thats what they look like.
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Re: Problems with my ash
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2007, 08:59:22 AM »
I just want to reinforce that if you even suspect that it is EAB, CALL SOMEONE.  And do not move the wood until you have confirmation that it is not EAB.  We don't need to spread it around.
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Re: Problems with my ash
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2007, 07:13:30 PM »
The leaf you posted is definitely ash.  Follow Ms. Estiers advice.  Hopefully it is not what it seems to be.
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Re: Problems with my ash
« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2007, 04:32:34 AM »
 

Looks like white ash.
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