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Author Topic: A Flowering Plant That You Can ID...Solved!!.....Maple-Leaf Viburnum  (Read 7926 times)

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Re: A Flowering Plant That You Can ID
« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2007, 11:25:04 PM »
Some of the leaves on this plant are distinctly 3 lobed.  Look at the last pic in the background on the top left quadrant of the pic.  See the distinct 3-lobed leaves?  I think that it might be maple-leaf viburnum (Viburnum acerifolium).  It is definitely either maple-leaf or arrowwood viburnum.  Sometimes maple-leaf viburnum will have unlobed leaves.  How about arrowwood viburnum.  Does it sometimes have 3-lobed leaves?
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Re: A Flowering Plant That You Can ID
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2007, 02:36:45 PM »
Are you sure the one in the background with the 3-lobed leaves isn't a different plant? ???  I've seen maple-leaf viburnums that had a few unlobed leaves, but the leaves still had acuminate tips.  The close-up leaves lack acuminate tips.  I've also never seen an arrowwood viburnum with 3 lobes, but I suppose it could happen.  Looks like this mystery ain't solved yet.
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Re: A Flowering Plant That You Can ID
« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2007, 04:38:03 PM »
It is possible that an arrowwood viburnum and a maple-leaf viburnum were growing side by side.  But, if so, I did not notice it.  I took the pic thinking it was a maple-leaf viburnum, but there were some unlobed leaves on this year's flush of new growth.  There were definitely some 3-lobed leaves on the plant attached to the flowers in the photo.  That leans me to Viburnum acerifolium.  Maple-leaf viburnum is supposed to be the only one with 3-lobed leaves.  According to the Manual of The Vascular Flora of the Carolinas, "leaves 3-lobed, rarely unlobed".

After the response to this post, I was scratching my head wondering if I had inadvertantly photographed an arrowwood viburnum while thinking that it was a maple-leaf viburnum.

This particular plant is just trying to play games with us  pull_smiley;D.  There are always supposed to do just what the book say, right  :P   smiley_contract_point no_no

Maybe this is a newly unrecognized hybrid ??? horn_smiley horn_smiley
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Re: A Flowering Plant That You Can ID
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2007, 03:57:36 PM »
That wasn't me, I wouldn't cheat by looking in a book. ::) I did catch the culprit in the act though:
 



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Re: A Flowering Plant That You Can ID
« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2007, 06:45:07 PM »
Well now we know that you have a tutor, Dave ;D.
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Re: A Flowering Plant That You Can ID
« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2007, 07:05:54 PM »
Who? Michal A Dirr? Becuase The Minicatt isn't much help! ;D


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Re: A Flowering Plant That You Can ID
« Reply #26 on: June 11, 2007, 01:17:29 PM »
I took the pic thinking it was a maple-leaf viburnum, but there were some unlobed leaves on this year's flush of new growth.  There were definitely some 3-lobed leaves on the plant attached to the flowers in the photo.

So there were 3-lobed leaves on the plant, but you only showed us pics of the unlobed leaves? smiley_furious  That's almost as sneaky as showing only the terminal leaflet of a hickory leaf!  smiley_policeman smiley_smash ban_smiley :D :D :D

You're probably right, though...just an atypical Viburnum acerifolium!
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Re: A Flowering Plant That You Can ID
« Reply #27 on: June 11, 2007, 01:22:15 PM »
In my defense, it was the inflourescense that I was trying to show ::).  I was planning to show the pic with the 3-lobed leaves in the background as the next clue.  The unlobed leaves did not bother me at the time because I didn't know any better.  Know I know that they confuse the situation.  The good thing is that I learned something new ;D.
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Re: A Flowering Plant That You Can ID
« Reply #28 on: June 11, 2007, 02:11:21 PM »
Taking into consideration where you were at, WDH, it might help to recognize that snakes, plants...and humans, take on genetic foundations which the books haven't caught up to.   ;)

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Re: A Flowering Plant That You Can ID
« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2007, 05:12:43 PM »
You said it Tcsmpsi, I didn't ;D (although I would have if I had thought of it first :D).
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Re: A Flowering Plant That You Can ID
« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2007, 05:54:38 PM »
On a related note, I found some chalk maples this weekend that disagreed with the convergent tip theory that I've been peddling to my students for the last three years ::).  The majority of the leaves on the plants looked like they should, but there were a few dissenters in the group to keep me on my toes.
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Re: A Flowering Plant That You Can ID
« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2007, 07:30:54 PM »
One again proves the theory that, most of the time, there is no one sure-fire magic characteristic that is alway 100% certain in ID'ing a plant.  It is better to look at several characteristics and surround the plant than to bore in on only one thing  ;).
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Re: A Flowering Plant That You Can ID
« Reply #32 on: June 11, 2007, 08:20:44 PM »
If you want to test your patience on leaf shape, explain to your students the general shape of rattlesnake root Prenanthes spp.  ;D That must have one of the most variable shaped leaf a plant can come up with.  8) :D

But, generally it's sagitate.  Sometimes lobed (2-6), sometimes not. Sometimes coursely serrate, sometimes not. ;D I find them mostly in alder thickets in organic soil.
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« Reply #33 on: June 11, 2007, 10:31:01 PM »
One again proves the theory that, most of the time, there is no one sure-fire magic characteristic that is alway 100% certain in ID'ing a plant.  It is better to look at several characteristics and surround the plant than to bore in on only one thing  ;).

Well said.  That's the most important message that I've been trying to get across for the last 3 years. :)
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