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Re: Drying "Cookies" or "Rounds"
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2008, 07:33:17 PM »
Harold, that looks like Pilon to me - but I could be wrong. By the way, that pilon cookies you cut for me are STILL okay. They haven't cracked yet - but I have been careful with them too.

So, how did I end up here anyway?

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Re: Drying "Cookies" or "Rounds"
« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2008, 08:42:12 PM »

  Red oak is going to split.  If you slice it thin enough it will cup into almost a bowl but what you are trying to do it will split.  You could drown it in peg and it not bust to bad.
  Cutting it into quarters and then putting it back together does work.
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Re: Drying "Cookies" or "Rounds"
« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2008, 08:11:29 PM »
 I have kiln dried walnut cookies cut at a angle and no splits all were under 12" though. I made several cookies out of a 140 year old white oak, lacqered them right away and keep inside shop. They looked great for about maybe 1 year then they split all to pieces. I dont think all the straps in the world would have held them together.

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Re: Drying "Cookies" or "Rounds"
« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2008, 09:22:16 PM »

  Originally, we used 2 bands of innertube. Had to really work to get them stretched over the pieces.

  The last one, we used the ratchet strap.

  We didn't have White Oak, so, we used Cypress ???  Might not work for others. It was just a suggestion, that DID work for us  ;D
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Re: Drying "Cookies" or "Rounds"
« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2008, 10:43:12 AM »
I charge more for cracked table tops when I put in butterflies and people love the look.  After one or more butterflies I fill what ever crack or better yet cracks with sawdust paste mixed with polyurethane or fiberglass resin.

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Re: Drying "Cookies" or "Rounds"
« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2008, 09:27:46 PM »
Bet this lady I'm cutting these for never expected we'd be getting advice from Central and South America! Thanks for all the input, now we just have to wait and see.

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Re: Drying "Cookies" or "Rounds"
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2008, 05:07:19 AM »
Jim, I have seen butterflies used before by someone on this site. That looks like a great idea. Not being a carpenter I don't have a clue how to do those. Is it a special tool?
I charge more for cracked table tops when I put in butterflies and people love the look.  After one or more butterflies I fill what ever crack or better yet cracks with sawdust paste mixed with polyurethane or fiberglass resin.
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Re: Drying "Cookies" or "Rounds"
« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2008, 10:20:08 PM »
I am sure its a better way , but the way I have done it is to make the butterfly first .Then place it where you want it then scribe with a knife ( not a pencil ) . Then using a chisel cut it out , being carefull to get the bottom level for a good glue joint. A router or dremel tool with a small straight bit would work too. 

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Re: Drying "Cookies" or "Rounds"
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2008, 10:10:38 AM »
Ironstumper:
The only way I know is exactly as you described, hammer and chisel.  If it would help I could have one of my guys do one and take photos.

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Re: Drying "Cookies" or "Rounds"
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2008, 06:28:10 PM »
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I'd love ta see pictures or video of how you do it.
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Re: Drying "Cookies" or "Rounds"
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2008, 10:17:45 PM »
I've seen templates for use with a router and bearing bit to cut out butterflies.  Cant remember where I saw them though.
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Re: Drying "Cookies" or "Rounds"
« Reply #31 on: April 05, 2008, 05:45:38 AM »
I'm assuming a bandsaw (shop style) or jigsaw. To cut the butterfly? And yes I'd appreciate photos. We love photos. ;D
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Re: Drying "Cookies" or "Rounds"
« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2008, 07:28:42 PM »
Don't forget Pickle chip.

Kiln is where it needs to go (at best). 

This type of cut will always crack no matter how many times people ask how to not make it crack.

A method is to cut the chip in half, cut it on the natural crack (no natural crack?,, just wait 20min).  Kiln dry it (notice I keep saying kiln dry). Then straighten the 2 edges and glue them back together.

You can also band the edge with tension, or fully seal the chip, or try to slow dry the chip, or cut it on a new moon after sacrificing a chicken, those are good methods to work  the slice and watch it crack anyway.

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Re: Drying "Cookies" or "Rounds"
« Reply #33 on: April 11, 2008, 06:16:46 PM »
Sorry for the delay .  Here is what we do with the cracked slices.  We used a contrasting wood to make it easier to see but I like it.  The small cracks were filled with super glue and charcoal.  On the big cracks we use fiberglass resin with whatever for coloring.








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Re: Drying "Cookies" or "Rounds"
« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2008, 07:39:58 PM »
Jim, I was hoping you could share a little info. about the fiberglass resin you use.  I've never filled in really big gaps, so I've always used epoxy, usually colored with graphite.  I'd like to get more at once, rather than the little tubes of resin and hardener I get at the hardware store. 

Just wondering what the stuff you use it labeled or marketed for (boats, bartops, adhesive, etc...)  ???

brdmkr, I've seen Norm use those templates on the New Yankee Workshop.  There was a bushing with a collar that fit around it....buzz out the hole with the bushing in, then remove it and cut out an insert in another piece of wood.  He was making dutchment with it, which is used to cover up "defects" rather than add a structural piece.  It was a pretty tiny router bit on that set, I don't know how it would work making thick butterflies.  I've tried to do the same thing with the router bit & bushing assortment I have, but couldn't get it right....

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Re: Drying "Cookies" or "Rounds"
« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2008, 08:24:05 PM »
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The fiberglass resin we use is for boat repair.  It is good for a lot of things and can be colored with sawdust , charcoal or what ever.  Here is a photo of a termite nest which is like paper soaked in resin and turned.  It looks like granite.


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Re: Drying "Cookies" or "Rounds"
« Reply #36 on: April 11, 2008, 09:30:57 PM »
Thanks, Jim  :)  I've been meaning to pick up a larger batch of epoxy, but I'll go for a long time without needing any, and then I'll need a bunch.  Does anyone know the shelf life on these two part resins  ???  UNmixed, of course  :D

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Re: Drying "Cookies" or "Rounds"
« Reply #37 on: April 12, 2008, 01:34:59 AM »
I used "West System Epoxy" when I built a canoe 5 years ago and I still have some on the shelf that I use on various projects. Keep the two parts sealed to keep out humidity. If the resin gets too cool it may crystalize; warm it up til they disappear and its good to use again.

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Re: Drying "Cookies" or "Rounds"
« Reply #38 on: April 20, 2008, 01:04:22 PM »
Call me lucky but I have had a very small percentage of cookies ever split/check/warp. My wife slops on the wax sealer and dead stacks them after it dries.

The ones in the stack below are 1" thick, as yet sealed.  The plate is a 2" cookie turningfool graciously sent back as a beautiful plate. There is not a hint of a crack anywhere on it and it's somewhere around 1.25 years old(?).

last year I had a customer request 1/2" cookies for some special project, against my advice, and I asked her to let know if they cracked. I never heard from her so I don't know for sure but I take that as a no they didn't. But the funny thing is I have more problems keeping entire logs from checking than I do from 1" - 4" cookies.








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Re: Drying "Cookies" or "Rounds"
« Reply #39 on: September 21, 2008, 09:51:57 PM »
Gregg, now that some time has gone by, how have red oak cookies turned out? Did they split? What steps did you take to keep them from cracking?

Since this topic has started, I now have a lady that wants a table top from her red oak log that measures about 48" in dia. I've done this before and had success with other species, but not with red oak. I may try to talk to her about an oval table top. 
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