Gotta Idee

Fla._Deadheader · September 29, 2003, 12:47:10 PM

I wuz standin around at the shop a while ago, watchin the rain, and I thought a flash of lightning went off. :

Turns out I MAY have had a "vision"

??? Let me run these questions by Y'all and see if my "vision" has any merit

  How many of y'all have a mill that ya hafta bust yer butt, gettin a log loaded onto the bed???
  How many of Y'all would like to own a loader that is PORTABLE ???
   How high is the average lift from the ground to the bunks on yer mill???
   Would ya prefer hand crank or Electric, 12V or 115V ???
  What would be a fair price Y'all would pay for such a unit???

Jeff · September 29, 2003, 02:16:48 PM

deadheader did you finally discover anti gravity? I just knew it could be done it would be you that did it.

dail_h · September 29, 2003, 02:54:41 PM

He's off on another tare,engineerin,an cobblin,an fabrikatin. Who knows what he'll wind up with? Go on DH,an see what you can do.

SawBilly · September 29, 2003, 03:11:51 PM

How many of y'all have a mill that ya hafta bust yer butt, gettin a log loaded onto the bed..........Sometimes I trip over a cant hook, but the mill is hydraulic ;D

  How many of Y'all would like to own a loader that is PORTABLE .............I would I would I wood

   How high is the average lift from the ground to the bunks on yer mill ............ bout 3 feet

   Would ya prefer hand crank or Electric, 12V or 115V ..................don't want to do nuttin that is hard :D 12 or 115 would be good

  What would be a fair price Y'all would pay for such a unit ......................................considering I only do this as a hobby, it hasta be cheap :'(

Fla._Deadheader · September 29, 2003, 03:12:26 PM

Now, now, Gotta have LOTS of HONEST input on this one. I ain't giving this one away.
I gotta retire, too :

;D ;D

Jeff · September 29, 2003, 03:16:43 PM

me to. I can be your agent. ;D

Fla._Deadheader · September 29, 2003, 03:29:30 PM

We MAY or may NOT be playin to a cheap crowd, here

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

If'n ya wanna be tha agent, ya gotta seperate the crowd and see where we stand :

:

Jeff · September 29, 2003, 03:35:38 PM

Men to the left, Ladies to da left too.

Sorry Deadheader, I just aint no good at that seperatin thing. I'll bow out now and just watch. ;)

dail_h · September 29, 2003, 04:33:18 PM

SHOOT!!!!!!!!
I ain't even scraped the price of a cheap mill up yet,an he's alookin for the highpriced crowd already

Fla._Deadheader · September 29, 2003, 04:47:37 PM

  I'm really looking to see if there is any interest.
  I once designed a portable winch that would move major sized boulders out of the rivers, for the gold prospectors, and when I posted a price 20% less than the best out on the market, not ONE person responded.
  This, after 10 or so, were BEGGING someone to come up with something decent??? ??? ???
  Ain't doin THAT again.
  I read several posts about sawyers hurtin their back and being dead-tired, from rolling logs. :

:

D._Frederick · September 29, 2003, 05:50:37 PM

Fla.-,
The price that the mfg's. charge for a hydraulic loader is in the $1500-$2000 range and they already have the tank and the pump. So your price would have to be under $2500. It would have to be build ridged enough to lift a 3500lb. log, so the weight would be a problem for being portable, would need wheels to transport and would need to be connected to the mill so that it doesn't kick away. The speed of operation would be a factor, needs to load a log at a maximum of 4 to 5 min.. The last thing, it must be user friendly. So get your CAD system up and running and see what you come up with. (I roll my logs down hill)

woodhaven · September 29, 2003, 06:01:42 PM

FD
I got a lot of Cad junk iffin anything you need. From top of the line to the bottom.

Fla._Deadheader · September 29, 2003, 06:04:28 PM

"D" my friend, Ya ain't even close. ;D
I'm figgerin $800.00-$1200.00, MAX Could even be cheaper, won't tip, won't roll, won't fall over, not REAL heavy, AND not attached to the mill

;D ;) ;) ;)

And THAT'S all I'm sayin :

oakiemac · September 29, 2003, 06:11:56 PM

Well Dead header, you can count me in! Send me a picture or a drawing- I might buy it on the spot.

biziedizie · September 29, 2003, 06:48:47 PM

I know what Harolds building and he didn't tell me nothing 8) I was on a job in the summer and I thought wow this thing that I'm on would make a great log loader 8) There that's all I'm telling ;D

Steve

ohsoloco · September 29, 2003, 07:13:35 PM

Now younz got me innerrested

Tom · September 29, 2003, 08:02:47 PM

Does it look anything like this, Harold?

Jeff · September 29, 2003, 08:05:34 PM

INFRINGEMENT!

Fla._Deadheader · September 29, 2003, 08:09:37 PM

DanGit Tom. What would take for that thing??? ??? I musta seen it forty-leben times, since I been here :

:

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

biziedizie · September 29, 2003, 08:15:51 PM

Aww yes Tom's famous sky hook 8) The forum wouldn't be the same with out that popping up every now and again :D :D

Steve

Tom · September 29, 2003, 08:16:00 PM

What'cha think it's worth, DH? :D

D._Frederick · September 29, 2003, 09:23:41 PM

Fla.-,
Will this equipment be able to do other than load logs? Your price estimate came in at half the going rate for a hydraulic log loader, not bad. Are you basing that figure on new or surplus components?

Fla._Deadheader · September 29, 2003, 09:42:30 PM

Mainly for loadin logs on the mill. MIGHT be able to load from the side of a low trailer, also. No technical info available ;)

UNCLEBUCK · September 29, 2003, 09:54:12 PM

I think Mitch has something like that above his mill that he made , its on his ShagbarkFarms website pictures but its not portable but its well worth a look ! :P

cut2size · September 29, 2003, 11:12:14 PM

:)A lift gate from a delivery truck would do the same thing and has been mentioned in the past. I have hydraulics on one mill and a tractor with a loader for the other

David

dtody · September 30, 2003, 08:17:58 AM

After my "small mill set-up" post, my son called his friend in the crane repair business. they're working on a gantry type crane, 3 ton chain hoist, 8' lift, 10' span, portable/adjustable, within reason. It should handle a 10-12 foot log. He's guestimating a couple, three hundred for the rig. And I'll throw in a week-end at the cabin fishing on Lake Michigan, if he wants to.

Just a thought on Tom's log lifter, it wouldn't work in the Southern Hemisphere, the sky is a different direction down under. Does he have a model for down there?

woodhaven · September 30, 2003, 08:28:36 AM

How much work space will it take up?

Fla._Deadheader · September 30, 2003, 09:10:31 AM

I'm figuring about 6 feet from the side of the mill, if the mill bed is 3' high.

dtody · September 30, 2003, 09:12:26 AM

Kevin had a picture of what the set-up should look like.

  Re: small mill set-up
« Reply #29 on: 09/23/03 at 20:47:08 » Quote Modify

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
dtody;
I cant see a gantry crane working any quicker than having a good staging area beside the mill.
For just a few logs it might work ok but I can't see a huge benefit.

Is this what you had in mind ... his picture I couldn't copy.

   If you asking me how much space, I would say 1' x 4' for the legs on each side, with enough space between the legs for the mill and a pile of logs, or ATV to drag the log next to the mill. Might be more time to use the rig, but right now, I want a single person rig, with a minimum of effort. Should have all the components in place by the end of the month, I'll post pictures then.

Bigdogpc · September 30, 2003, 02:01:14 PM

I MIGHT be interested in some contraption IF it was duel purpose and would load a trailer as well as the mill. 12v sounds like something to my liking. Cobble away so you'll have some results to demo...

Tom · September 30, 2003, 03:33:58 PM

Hmmmmm-m-m A down under loader.

Minnesota_boy · September 30, 2003, 05:32:13 PM

Why would you need a loader for down under? The sky is a different direction, the logs would fall up and you'd just have to guide them onto the mill.

Tom · September 30, 2003, 06:27:23 PM

Oh-h-h-h-h! I hadn't thought of that.

Gus · September 30, 2003, 07:02:11 PM

A yes my fellow inmates,
The place of ideas 8)

Fla._Deadheader · September 30, 2003, 08:06:08 PM

Tom, looks like your idea is worth more than mine. ???

Tom · September 30, 2003, 08:13:33 PM

Think you can make it work? I'm hung up on the hook thingy. :D

biziedizie · September 30, 2003, 08:32:53 PM

K I just read this thread from start to end and I must say you guys are funny ;)
Anyways would you guys buy something like this if it could load the log on to the mill or a trailer??? If you could roll the log on to a unit with a cant hook and hit a button and just roll it on to your mill would you buy it??? $800.00/$1200.00 is that worth saving your back and the danger of having a log roll on ya??? I think it is

  Like I said in the beginning I know what Harold is thinking of building but I have never talked to him about it.
  I think this is a great idea and it would be cool to see a forum member make some money selling this concept instead od a big company that will double the price to pay for their overhead.

   Steve

Tom · September 30, 2003, 08:44:12 PM

Don't know bizi. The idea has merit but I'm not an impulse shopper. If it were built, tested, proven, marketed and I saw it and I needed it, I would probably buy one.

I really enjoy Harold's exhuberance and fabricating ability. It's sure difficult to not give him a hard time though. Thank goodness for his sense of humor, eh?

Frank_Pender · October 01, 2003, 08:25:07 AM

You folks jest, but he has something that is very marketable, not only for usens, but for a number of other usess. Touch base with me Deadheder on the side line and perhaps I can help ya all with your designing. I have been working on the same sort of issue for my operation. In my case I am wanting to locate an instrument on a single dolly axel that is easily moved and set up with three or perhaps 4 hydraulic outriggers.

dail_h · October 01, 2003, 08:50:02 AM

DH,
The guys beat me to the trailer thing,if you can make it work on a trailer,I want the first one.With all this storm dowm timber ,I need sumptin to load with,and besides I ain't got no mill yet SHOOT

woodhaven · October 01, 2003, 11:16:05 AM

FD
What ever happened with the sander?

Fla._Deadheader · October 01, 2003, 11:53:13 AM

My welder has been up to his earballs in Scoop manufacturing, and I couldn't help OR crack the whip :

:

oakiemac · October 01, 2003, 08:41:55 PM

Hey DH,

Will this contraption load logs onto a mill, load lumber on a trailer, and serve up an ice cold beer when the job is done? Cause if it will, then I'll buy one on the spot! ;D

At any rate it sounds like a good idea. Keep us posted.

BBTom · October 02, 2003, 05:13:41 AM

Harold,
Not knowing what you be thinking, maybe I will throw my brain farts into the air and see if anyone catches them.

I am thinking of maybe using connections like Milemarker winches use for hydraulic power when used for a trailer....a cheap hyd motor with sprockets on it.... a modified roller chain with something to push the log that can be attached quickly and easily.. chain runs on the top of the incline.... incline attached to trailer so it cannot tip over. two inclines make a set .. that way they are easy to put on the trailer or truck even if it is loaded with logs..

hope that doesn't smell too bad!!!! :-[

Tom

dail_h · October 05, 2003, 09:09:37 AM

DH,
Will this thing work on trailers of different height? I got two and they ain't the same,plus when I get a mill,who knows how high that will be.

Fla._Deadheader · October 05, 2003, 09:30:15 AM

Yep, adjustable height, Dail.
Before the snow gets too deep, could you check on that Corley Edger and see if it's for sale and how much?? I'm about ready for it.

Sponsors:

Gotta Idee

biziedizie

biziedizie

biziedizie

Thank You Sponsors!