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Started by Kansas, September 01, 2011, 08:55:04 AM

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Al_Smith

It wouldn't surprise me in the least bit if we don't get an early frost too .Darned funny weather here of late .Odd last year too ,they were taking off beans about the same time they took off the corn .Seldom does that happen .By the middle of Oct it was all but done .Never before had I seen that in all my 60 some years of walking this planet .

trapper

Normally in wi  we get frost with the full moon in september.  Once we get past that the frost should stay away another 2 or three weeks. got my tomatoes and summer squash covered. 
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Coon

Mother nature has had a cold heart towards us around here the last couple of nights.  It was cold enough that when I went to use winshield washer fluid this morning that it just made for thicker ice on the windshield....  :D..... it don't help that I have the summer bug juice type still in the bottle.   :D  Had to stick my head out the window for the first couple of blocks till a patch big enough to see through melted.  ;) 

Many of the cereal crops still out will now have been downgraded from number 1 to feed grades.  The canola and flax and such will for the most part be just fine provided it was far enough along to maturity.  95% of the canola has been swathed now.  Still lots of standing cereal grains though but a good percentage will be straight cut. 

On another note.  This past sunday afternoon when I was on a retrun trip home from sawing I counted 42 combines working in the 100 mile trek.  Get-r-done farmers.  ;D
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SwampDonkey

September is actually late cutting cereal grains around here. Some of this new bunch is from Manitoba and not used to getting stuff in on time and out before winter. :D Well to their credit they did get it out mostly by the first week of September, but they are an interesting bunch to leave stuff uncut for days in dry weather. They don't have to make money I guess. ::) September is potato harvest time into mid-october. My uncle used to try and dig until Christmas. :D He never grew any more than father did, but couldn't get them boys to work much and the day often began at 6:00 pm. ::)

I notice the beans are yellowing now, I don't know much about them as beans and canola are new for around here. I think the canola started for this biodiesel additive they make locally. And to see the place you would wonder if anyone is even home. Has to be government welfare involved.
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Al_Smith

I can remember as a teenager when they used row pickers they might be taking off corn in Dec . Kind of neat though ,stand at the end of a field and let the picker flush out the pheasants . Back then there were quite a few .Actually back then it was legal to ride the pickers and hunt .Some of the farmers kept a trusty old 12 gauge double barrel with them .Not a bad deal,pick corn and get dinner all in one fell swoop .They figured since they fed the birds all year they'd just as well eat a few .

SwampDonkey

I saw them combining the first week of December on one farm last fall. I stopped and asked a couple questions, was told to come bye next week and they would still be at it. At the time the snow was falling from the sky. They had just installed a new dryer on the main farm and if it's like the cost of drying was 20 years ago, that corn was worthless for net profit.
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Coon

The farmers around here that are still harvesting in November and December don't get the least bit of sympathy from me cuz they generally have way too much land in their possession....  Drying grain is just about as feasable as shoveling snow in a blizzard IMHO.   :D
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SwampDonkey

One year these Manitoba transplants cut corn on this farm in December, as they rented it from the new owner that dad sold it to. They hauled it all and dumped it in the field in January. They told mother they lost $100,000 in corn. As I said, they don't have to make money.  They all go to the bank every month with a cheque. ::)
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Patty

We took a drive today, and the combines are rolling!  8)

Early corn is coming out now, and going straight to the dryers. Seed corn came out last week, and the silage is pretty much all chopped.

We are raking the last of the alfalfa this afternoon, and will probably start in on corn towards the end of the week. We have a couple fields that are pretty dry. We might just wait another week so we don't have to pay to dry it down.
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Al_Smith

That's just how things have changed .Back in say the early 60's 80 Bu per acre of corn was considered about averge .They picked it on the ear .20 percent moisture on the cob would dry in the corn crib if the rats didn't eat half of it .

Lots of time they had to wait until the ground was frozen before they ran the pickers though the field so Dec or Jan wasn't unheard of to finish up with harvest . Now of days by those winter months some of the more well to do farmers are in Florida basking in the sun . Things have just changed .

Norm

We still have a few guys that can't seem to get their corn out before December.

Knowing the guy I work with we'll be doing corn by late this week. I was over at his place this weekend picking up some tile connectors and asked when we'd get started. Oh end of the month I guess....yeah sure he'll be calling Friday at the latest. Couple of neighbors are out combining and it would kill him to let them get done before us.  :D

chain

Corn crop finally harvested and fortunately I made my book by a few bushels. Far below my average but with the great price I actually came out on the plus side!

Corn in this country must be harvested as quickly as possible less the corn borer damage will cause corn ears and stalks to fall to the ground. Even the CB resistant varieties will allow the borer to eat through the ear husks causing damage as aflatoxin from molds inside the husks.

Kansas

I got away with no aflatoxin found on the corn on my farm, but they did find it on our little bit of corn on the acreage at the mill. 50 cent dock.

Ron Wenrich

I keep watching the commodity prices and the cash price for corn and beans have taken a pretty good hit during the month of September.  Seems like the early bird may have gotten the better price.  But, hearing how everyone's yields are down, maybe prices skyrocket and the later harvesters get better prices. 

I remember talking to an egg producer a good number of years ago.  He said that prices for eggs went up when nobody was buying and went down when they needed eggs.  He figured the buyers were manipulating the market.  Are grain markets similar?
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Norm

Yes, it's called USDA.

The latest supplies and demand report is behind the latest drop in the grains market, this is put out monthly by the USDA. They are loathe to bring the stocks to use ratio below 5% so they just massage the numbers to make sure they don't. Even though the crop will be light this year the USDA keeps finding grains to make sure it doesn't go below the magic number. Most of us involved in the industry know this but the market trades on their numbers. Throw in the increased number of contracts traded by non-commercials and you can move the market pretty easily. Of course this time of year brings quite a bit of grain on the market immediately as many of us do not have storage so are left to dump it at harvest prices.

Last year they pulled the same stunt only to reverse themselves in the October report. It gets old.

Kansas

I don't have much of any faith in the integrity of commodities, or for that matter, anything financial. A private company that forecasts crop yields can move the market. So can the USDA. Someone with advance knowledge can make a fortune. Before every crop or cattle report, or (insert commodity here) there are trade guesses. Markets trade off of these trade guesses before the actual numbers come out. So if someone is  "in the know" on what is going to be guessed, they can ride the market up or down before reports ever come out. Then they can ride it the other way when the market report is released. Its a racket. The farmer that farms my ground for me hires someone to market his crop. He pays the guy 25 cents a bushel. Says it pays off well for him, and it may well. But his guy is sitting in a lil local elevator marketing grain, and is simply tapping into someone else telling him what to say. He has no idea on his own what corn or beans is going to do. That farmer has about 1000 acres he farms himself. Under normal yields, if he farms half corn and half soybeans, thats somewhere around 35000 to 40,000 dollars he spends for that marketing advice. Someone is making money off all these marketing ploys, but it ain't the farmer. Brokers, advisory services, to some extent elevators who tell people to hold grain in their elevators and pay storage costs based on marketing advise, are the ones making the easy money.

They do the same manipulation on Wall Street. Rating services such as Moody's are a joke. Its a rigged game.

Al_Smith

The people who always make out are Cargill, Central Soya and the like .

Ron Wenrich

Kansas

I was talking about the spot (cash) price.  Not the futures price.  The cash price for corn and beans has dropped this month.  After listening to you guys, I would have thought it would have gone up due to low yields. 

How much of a variance is there in price between areas?  I remember a few years back when we had really dry weather, it was cheaper to bring corn in from the Midwest than to buy local. 
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chain

In this area [lower bootheel of Missouri on the Mississippi river, elevator noon spot price for corn $6.37bu. which was down 21cents today and down from about $6.91 a week ago. Soybeans $12.37 bu., down 26cents so far today and down over a dollar from last two weeks.

Stronger dollar..less grain costs, plus harvest pressure may have affected prices recently. Markets now have to find a support or bottom...how far will she go? :-\

Kansas

Quote from: Ron Wenrich on September 21, 2011, 05:41:52 PM
Kansas

I was talking about the spot (cash) price.  Not the futures price.  The cash price for corn and beans has dropped this month.  After listening to you guys, I would have thought it would have gone up due to low yields. 

How much of a variance is there in price between areas?  I remember a few years back when we had really dry weather, it was cheaper to bring corn in from the Midwest than to buy local. 

Ron, there is a lot of difference between elevators in the same area. There is a lot of difference between geographical areas as well. The two part loads that sold off my farm were about 30 cents difference between the local elevator (Coop) and Topeka (cargill). They did sell on consecutive days, so that could have been part of the difference. I checked a few places on Cargill's website. From Colorado to Illinois, there is a difference of .43 per bushel. The farther east you go, the higher the price is. That is why so many cattle get shipped to western Kansas, Nebraska, and Colorado. Cheaper to finish cattle out there because of cheaper grain. I believe most of it has to do with freight getting corn down to the Gulf of Mexico for overseas shipment. The unit trains always move grain from west to east (California being a possible exception). Its also why so many dairies in California have relocated to western Kansas. A lot cheaper land and cheaper feed costs.

Al_Smith

I just noticed in the last few days the beans getting a little yellow and some of the corn browning up at ground level .With the late start this spring it will be a late harvest .

SwampDonkey

Some earlier beans are all dry and brown, no leaves. Others are half way there and the later stuff is still pretty green looking. The green stuff, I doubt will be anything unless October is warm and dry. But I don't know much about soybeans.
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Coon

The way things are looking around here the harvesting is 50% or better done.  The yields are varying from area to area depending on when the crops were put in but on a whole are looking to be fairly decent.
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sandhills

Things around here are starting to pick up, a few people are picking wet corn, from what I've heard moisture is still averaging around 30, and there are a few bean fields out but not many, most beans are still pretty green. I'm still trying to get going on silage, hopefully tomorrow  :-\.

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