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SwampDonkey

#50
April 28, 2012, 05:18:47 AM
If it's not one thing it's another.  ::)  :D
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gspren

#51
April 28, 2012, 09:32:52 AM
  Well if it's valuable I hope it's valuable in pieces 20" long and split! :D
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OneWithWood

#52
April 28, 2012, 12:55:01 PM
Dodgy, will you include close ups of the endgrain pore structure?

I have my Hoadley's out waiting  ::)
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Dodgy Loner

#53
April 28, 2012, 07:45:31 PM
Okay, OWW. Game on ;D

I will post some pics and let the guessing games begin!

Here's a pic of the bark from gspren's Mystery Wood:


Here is a face-grain lineup; Mystery Wood is on the far left, along with some other likely candidates for comparison.


And finally, the end-grain: Mystery Wood on top. The rest are in the same order as the face-grain pic. Can you ID them all?
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WDH

#54
April 28, 2012, 10:56:49 PM
I am going with:

#1).  Mulberry

#2).  Mulberry

#3).  Black Locust

#4).  Osage orange
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Okrafarmer

#55
April 28, 2012, 11:29:27 PM
Quote from: WDH on April 28, 2012, 10:56:49 PM
I am going with:

#1).  Mulberry

#2).  Mulberry

#3).  Black Locust

#4).  Osage orange

I pretty much agree with WDH except wondering about the mulberry. He is probably right-- I am learning not to bet against him....
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Dodgy Loner

#56
April 29, 2012, 12:14:35 AM
It is a good idea not to bet against WDH when it comes to tree and wood ID. He nailed it :)

I was surprised to find out that the wood was mulberry, because I have cut quite a bit of it, and I've never seen any that was bright green upon first cutting, but all the diagnostic characteristics are there. The wood is now bright yellow, the grain is strongly ring-porous, the pores are occluded with tyloses, and the sapwood band is only 3 rings wide. This description can fit 3 woods that I am aware of: mulberry, black locust, and osage-orange.

To narrow it down to one, I planed the endgrain smooth to compare it to samples of known identity. The true identity of the Mystery Wood is plainly evident upon examination of the endgrain. Black locust and osage-orange have a single solid line of large pores at the beginning of each annual ring, with gradually a little more space between the pores the farther you move into the latewood. Mulberry, on the other hand, has a wider band of pores all nestled together in the earlywood, with the pores abruptly becoming smaller and more widely spaced in the latewood.
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SwampDonkey

#57
April 29, 2012, 06:00:31 AM
Nice job on the pictures Dodgy. Helps a lot to see them end grain pictures.  ;D
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gspren

#58
April 29, 2012, 09:44:45 AM
 Originally when I looked at the log before I cut it I thought mulberry but the bright green color threw me off so I googled mulberry and decided against it and posted the question here. The adjacent pasture was recently plowed and had soil tests done which showed high magnesium, could this or some other soil condition cause the green? I really need to take time to learn how to post pictures.
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doctorb

#59
April 29, 2012, 09:45:37 AM
Cool.  thanks.  I learned a lot!
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OneWithWood

#60
April 29, 2012, 10:21:26 AM
Late to the game, as usual.

I concur with the analysis above.  Largely because you all know a whole lot more about it than I do  :D
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Dodgy Loner

#61
April 29, 2012, 11:32:02 AM
Thanks to gspren for sending me the wood sample. I had fun with this, and it was nice to get a firm resolution.

To answer your question about what could have caused the unusual coloration, I can honestly say that I don't know.I just identified a sample of mulberry for hackberry jake that had atypical coloration, so I do know that mulberry can have a wide range of color. More variation than I realized was possible beforehand!
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WDH

#62
April 29, 2012, 11:34:19 AM
Those tyloses always clog things up  :D.

Dodgy,

Nice tip about the distribution of the earlywood (Before-Dawn-Wood (Thanks David!))) pores.

Mulberry is a chameleon like black oak  :D.
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Okrafarmer

#63
April 29, 2012, 04:01:35 PM
 :o  Maybe there's a mulberry revolution going on out there-- things could get real sticky, folks! Be sure to have your bunkers in order, your larders well stocked, and plenty of ammo on hand! Those nefarious mulberries are morphing into who-knows-what!
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Dodgy Loner

#64
April 29, 2012, 04:06:23 PM
Quote from: WDH on April 29, 2012, 11:34:19 AM
Mulberry is a chameleon like black oak  :D.

Quote from: Okrafarmer on April 29, 2012, 04:01:35 PM
Those nefarious mulberries are morphing into who-knows-what!

Yes, I definitely wasn't expecting to identify two mulberry samples in one week! Mulberries are coming out of the woodwork! (;D) And the seem to have berry bad intentions! (::))
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WDH

#65
April 29, 2012, 09:51:38 PM
I will take it out on my favorite berry tree tomorrow  :).
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Roxie

#66
May 01, 2012, 09:02:08 AM
Very scientific, but the easiest way to identify Mulberry, is to mow under it wearing any light colored clothing.  If the brilliant orange of Osage doesn't warn you away, walk (or drive) under a grove when the seed pods are dropping.  Can you say concussion? 

Like reaching the end of a very good book, the build up of suspense has left me a bit sad that the mystery has been solved, but it has been fascinating. 
Say when

WDH

#67
May 01, 2012, 09:31:47 PM
Roxie,

I will have to give those two methods a try  :D.
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SwampDonkey

#68
May 02, 2012, 05:43:47 AM
I don't know if she's picking osage or coconuts.  ;D ;)
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tyb525

#69
August 06, 2012, 11:25:05 PM
We have several mulberry trees on the edge of a field, when the crop is heavy the ground becomes saturated with fermented fruit. If you mow or walk under them they literally squish, smell like a brewery, and get your shoes/tires all wet with almost-alcohol.
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JohnW

#70
August 07, 2012, 11:28:50 PM
Yes, I've seen and smelled the fermented mulberries before.  Some people have told me that it will get the critters eating the mulberries drunk.  I haven't seen that though.
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