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Peterson vs Lucas
« on: February 08, 2004, 11:30:15 AM »
I'm new here and apologize if this is an old topic. I'm looking to purchase either a Peterson or Lucas portable. If there is anyone here who has run them both I'd appreciate any input that might help me make a decision. I will be using it to mill lumber for a timber frame project several years down the road. From the ads, Lucas seems more flexible/versitale, Peterson WPF more solid/accurate? Thanks.

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Re: Peterson vs Lucas
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2004, 12:47:51 PM »
Welcome alhas.  Can't give you a darn bit of advice on those two mills, other than to say buy Orange
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Re: Peterson vs Lucas
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2004, 01:58:36 PM »
Hi Alhas, welcome to the forum

Your question is the ole Ford V Chev one I think.
I've not used a Lucas, but have seen them in operation, they are good machines. I run an older model Peterson WPF that I'm very happy with it and I think it's at least as versatile as the Lucas, once you learn all the tricks. (Reading some old posts here is a good start for that)
If you are comparing the 2 mills the Lucas is more equivalent to the Peterson ATS mill.
Either mill will do what you want, so I guess compare price, features and support and take your pick :)

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Re: Peterson vs Lucas
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2004, 02:49:20 PM »
Alhas,

I have seen them saw at the Logging Conference the past half dozen years, if you plan on doing much sawing, the Peterson WPF is a  little more user friendly. You don't have to walk quite as much and wide boards/timbers are easier to saw. If you have "old legs", I would look for a different type mill.

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Re: Peterson vs Lucas
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2004, 03:33:59 PM »
Also, keep in mind that when you "double cut" on the swingblade mills, the two cuts are not exactly even. If you are planning on leaving the post and beams rough sawn, this might look a little odd. If you don't need any dimensions over 8", either brand will do. If you need 10", Peterson offers a 10"cut mill. If you don't mind the look, or are going to plane the surfaces, either brand will cut up to 8x16, the 10" Pete up to 10X20. If you need to double cut at all, the Peterson will do it much easier.

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Re: Peterson vs Lucas
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2004, 04:04:11 PM »
Finally, my chance to be truly opinionated! I have owned a Lucas 618 for about 8 months now, and I'm pretty happy with it. I came off of a Woodmizer, and for me, sawing part-time for others (about 3 days a week), the maintainance is much better suited to me.
I've run a Peterson WPF 10" a little bit, and from what I've seen, the benefits are covered in the last 2 posts. It is a real nice mill. I bought the Lucas mostly because of cost difference,(also why I went with a 6") and feel like at the price I got the most bang for my buck. You may really want a bigger blade or the options available with the Peterson, so you really need to investigate it as much as possible before buying.
The biggest benefit I've noticed after using the Lucas for awhile is that since you raise each end indepently, you can level the mill to the taper of each individual log in a matter of seconds ( I believe the ATS levels side to side). Also, the ends are so easy to move that as soon as we get a log rolled under the mill, we just wedge it where its convenient and move one end of the mill whichever way we need to center the log, and I'm sure this is the same with the ATS.
Anyway, I hope this post stays active for awhile, I'd like to see what others have to say about their swingblades. If I get time this week I'll post some pictures, hope the other swingblade guys will do the same!
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Re: Peterson vs Lucas
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2004, 04:08:03 PM »
Welcome to the forum, alhas ;D.

I run a Peterson 8" WPF.  Good machine, cuts accurate lumber, and a very good investment for me.  If you want to compare Lucas and Peterson, compare the Lucas with the Peterson ATS model.  This will give you a one to one comparison.  Lucas does not manufacture something in the WPF catagory.  The ATS is a great little mill with some definate advantages over the Lucas.  1.  The tracks are lowered from one end of the mill, not from the sides (less walking/more time cutting)  2.  Double cuts can be made without lifting the mill off the tracks and turning it around  3.  The Peterson has a better locking system on the swing mechanism.  4.  The Peterson will cut full width in one pass.  The Lucas recommends two because of their thinner blade plate.
Both the Lucas and the Peterson are good machines and will cut your lumber.  I believe the Peterson will give you better value over the long run.

If you are interested in seeing a Peterson in action, I live and work in Southern Maryland, probably a 5 hr drive from where you are.  Come up, spend a few hours pulling boards (and even cutting a few ;D).  There is nothing like seeing this mill run first hand.  Heck, I might even have an extra Peterson hat :D.
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Re: Peterson vs Lucas
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2004, 04:09:48 PM »
  George, When I was conversing with Kiwi Jake, the topic came up of mismatching cuts. He said there are adjustments, so the cuts match on the horizontal???
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Re: Peterson vs Lucas
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2004, 05:19:58 PM »
Yes, I see how that can be done. Just a matter of tweaking the left to right blade tilt. However, for regular cutting, the blade needs a slight tilt downward to the right. This keeps the left side of the blade off the log as you progress into the right side of the log. It's a very slight tilt, but very noticable when you do the double cut. I'm not sure I really feel like readjusting the blade tilt that much, and even if I did, I doubt it would be exactly even over the whole face of the board enough times to make it worth doing. And even if it was, there would be two sets of saw marks. Obviously, this is not a problem unless you are wanting the saw cuts as part of the finished appearance. I was mostly bringing this up because I just recently had to cut a bunch of wide natural edge cedar slabs. I took the job thinking I could just double cut it all on the Peterson, but realised later that there was no way it was going to look right and I knew the guy wanted to leave the saw cuts showing. I ended up chainsaw milling it all with my 046, as I haven't fixed the clutch on my 090. It was a pain in the dairy air, but it looked real nice.


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Re: Peterson vs Lucas
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2004, 05:27:08 PM »
dmcc, glad you chimed in here!
That's a very interesting bit about being able to adjust for taper with the Lucas in that manner. Hadn't heard about that before. Please don't feel like you have to wait for a chance to be opinionated, nobody else does ;D

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Re: Peterson vs Lucas
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2004, 11:23:28 PM »
Woodbeard
If I remember right Jake's trick was to sit a bottle top on the horizontal adjustment stop, giving that exact 1.2mm of adjustment to line up the cuts right. Not sure what brand of bottle top works best though ;)
I'm sure the cut line would still not be 'perfect' but you should be able to get a pretty good result still

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Re: Peterson vs Lucas
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2004, 11:28:43 PM »
Fla. what I was probably talking about was an easy way to get the blade true when doublecutting, simply by putting a bottle cap between the horizontal meet points brings the blade true. All circular sawmills have "lead in" on the cutting side of the blade as explained by the guys, this stops the back of the blade from resawing and draging hp. This answers the "adjustment to suit doublecutting" need.

The Lucas cutting to grain/taper? The ATS can do all four corners individually which is easy taper adjustment and the abillity to adjust to any ground terf (4 individual handles) two handles have recently been added. I used to just pop out the telescopic link and rotate but these handles do make it easier.

The WPF has stationary tracks which give alot more benifits like easy log roll, single point height adjustment and reduces the need to raise the tracks every time for the logs to roll under, the taper thing is usually dealt with with our modified "Black Rat" jacks to lift one end of the log (pushing or pulling up hill gets boring quick).

Things to compare and try between the mills are, the gaging system for horizontal adjustment, the blade flip (ease of use, sometimes you flip this thing 2000 times a day ::)), the winch differences when grade sawing (lowering and raising), doublecutting, walk through obstructions when dealing with BIG logs (may not be an issue your guys way).
Just some things to look for.

Double cutting, if your intersection isn't meeting you can wind down one click on the winch when your about to cut with the back of the blade which will bring the meet closer OR... you could try my beer cap thing ;D. Oh yea Woodbeard, also you can cut a bunch of 16" boards set them side and then plane them with the full width of your blade leaving a complete circular criss cross on them. You'ld only have to do one side cause the other side you would have done while your cutting.  
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Re: Peterson vs Lucas
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2004, 11:35:44 PM »
Oops you beat me to it Ian.
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Re: Peterson vs Lucas
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2004, 03:36:45 AM »
Thanks Jake...
Best I get a couple of Stienies open before the weekend then ;)
Got a couple of Mac logs that I can try out double cut technique on, they want 12x2s but butt log is about 30" so should be 'no problemo'

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Re: Peterson vs Lucas
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2004, 04:48:06 AM »
Oh, great, another part I need to order from New Zealand. ::)
I've got some parts on order from Petersons, I'll just ring back and have Angela toss in a slab or two. :D Might be easier than finding it in this area.
Actually the stop on my mill has a big round nylon thingy at the end, considerably bigger than a bottlecap. But I get the idea, and it's a good one.
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Re: Peterson vs Lucas
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2004, 09:01:30 AM »
Kiwijake,
If I'm reading your post correctly about adjusting all four corners on the ATS, (i'm assuming you pull a pin on the connecting rod--correct me if I'm wrong), you can do the same on the Lucas to adjust side to side, hence easy sawing on a side slope. I very seldom use this adjustment because I usually use a couple of wooden shims under the downhill side which makes it easier for me to slide side to side to adjust to a big log that lands in the wrong spot, and just keep my rails where both sides bottom out at the same time. I did like the fact that the ATS has both highth(is that a word and is it spelled right?) adjustments on the same end.
I'm sure I would have been happy with any of the Peterson models too. But at the time, I had jobs ready to go, but wanted to make sure i could make the payments even if the jobs dissappeared(and some did). I was able to get everything I needed in the 618 delivered for about $7800. There were a couple of ATS 8"ers with a 13 hp engine in the US for about $9,000 delivered at that time. Anything with a bigger engine would have been substantially higher (to me, anyway) and I'm really glad I got the 18hp engine.
I guess my point is, I'm not knocking the Peterson mills at all, but in MY case the advantages weren't worth the $. Probably different for each and every one of us. And now that I've used the Lucas quite a bit, I'm really happy with it, and if I really need to go with wider cuts, I'll add a bandmill as jobs allow, and have the best of both worlds.
Probably more than my $.02 worth, huh? ;)
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Re: Peterson vs Lucas
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2004, 07:06:08 PM »
Kiwijake,
If I understand correctly you are the Guru so this question is for you. It sounds like you have made improvements to the ATS frame allowing adjustment that will give more flexibility in uneven terrain. All promotional info shows level ground cutting. Do guys actually cut on uneven terrain? Is the WPF frame limited to more or less level ground? It seems to me that the WPF is a more stable frame which appeals to me. However, I envision a lot of "away games" and level ground may not always be available. How much of a problem would this present?
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Re: Peterson vs Lucas
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2004, 07:20:42 PM »
I told myself "stay outa this frey"  but Kiwi brings up a valid piont, if your over 6' and saw anything longer than 12', your gonna be unhappy.  I'm 5'10" plus hardhat and Whites, and I have to keep the sawdust raked out of my path every log or 2.  Now, about walking twice as much with a Luke,  horsepuckey!  We work out hand signals with our offbearer and they adjust the far end.  How often are you sawin' by youself?  Well, I'll shut up for awhile, good luck, BWW.  PS......Ford!  and welcome alhas
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Re: Peterson vs Lucas
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2004, 07:46:11 PM »
Alhas
I've had to set up my WPF on some sloping / uneven sites. Just takes a little while to set up some extra blocks under the rails and maybe some under the log bunks. Some rounds sawn to size off a log can be used, or some 6x4 blocks.
Also the 2 rails do not have to be exactly level, they DO have to be parallel of course. But if one is a few inches lower than the other it's not a problem


This spot I had one rail on the ground and the other side 6" - 24" off the ground. This was the flatest spot around ::) You do want to try and get the log level, or across the slope.. sawing up and downhill is no fun

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Re: Peterson vs Lucas
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2004, 12:17:36 AM »
Ian covered the taper thing pretty well, the whole mill is super lightweight so blocks are the idea, on the ATS its just a matter of releasing the star knob and rotating the handle.

Better to lift the log end using a jack for heavy taper though, easier to push and no hazards associated like the mill free wheeling down hill toward your off bearer (could happen just by accidently letting go).






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