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Re: how much can a hobby mill handel
« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2012, 06:34:20 PM »
good thread here and responses as well.  i guess the one thing i would mention even though it's been implied in the other responses is to really pay attention to your workflow.  what i mean is:  where you set up your mill in relation to your landing, drying area, building area etc can be a huge time saver/waster.  you're not gonna want to walk all over your clearing to stack lumber or get rid of slabs.  nor will you want to unstack and move your piles b/c they're in the way  (i've done this so many times it's ridiculous)  the log deck is a perfect example of how much time can be saved by working smarter.  i know it's not a perfect world but if your clever about it it'll save you loads of time and more importantly your back.   :)
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Re: how much can a hobby mill handel
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2012, 08:08:08 PM »
I am going to throw a vote in for the Wood Mizer LT-10. I have owned mine almost 2 years and love it. Would not hesitate to put 40,000 bf through it. Comes mostly assembled and in a few hours you are up and running. I really took my time going over things and think I was ready to cut lumber in about 4 hours and that was without anyone helping me. With a helper I could have cut that time in more than half.

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Re: how much can a hobby mill handel
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2012, 08:18:36 PM »
2nd  on the  WM10, ;)  setting mine up currently.
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Re: how much can a hobby mill handel
« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2012, 08:22:11 PM »
NSwoodworker, here is a picture of a very simple log deck but very effective. It consists of two 10x10s with a 4x4 on top of each one. That keeps the logs at the level of the mill. When I need another log, I put down two 2x8 oak planks and roll the log onto the mill. I think this is pretty much what NB sawdust had in mind.

 

 

What WDH said I agree with. It will take longer than you think, but still, it's a great project and worthwhile doing.

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Re: how much can a hobby mill handel
« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2012, 08:44:10 PM »
A couple of thought about work flow on a manual mill.  First raise the mill to about knee high.  This is much easier on your body.  You can make a simple log deck to feed it.  The one I made in the pic is two oak 8x8 beams.  It is the same concept as Cutterboys.  Each beam has a post on each end.  On the mill side, there is a gate arm on each beam that swings open or shut.  You shut it to load the logs, then swing the arms 90 degrees so that you don't have to step over them while turning logs.  Your slabs that need to be edged can be slid right onto the log deck so that you do not have to pick them up and carry them.  When you are done with the log, you can slide them back on the mill with a lot less effort.

In the background, you see a board table.  The boards are slid off the mill onto the table.  This way you do not have to pick them up and carry them.  Then, you can stack the boards on the table in a pack the size that your tractor can pick up (you have to have a tractor with Front-end-loader or you will work yourself to death like I did  :)).  When you have a load, you pick up the pack and drive over to the sticker stack, then slide the boards off the forks onto the stack.  You can stack a lot of lumber pretty fast this way, and you rarely have to pick up a board free-hand. 

 

 

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Re: how much can a hobby mill handel
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2012, 07:03:17 AM »
Yes, I find the mill being 'up there where it's supposed to be' a much more efficient proposal.   ;D
This is another simple log deck (more of that "evolution" I had mentioned earlier  :D)  The angled beams to the ground help to lift/roll a log up on it that is a bit large/heavy for the tractor/fel to safely lift on it.  The loading arms are angle iron, notched on the ends that sit on the mill tracks for level and stability and bolted through the beams for pivoting.

 

 

From the 'other end', I have a covered slab rack set up to saw in 16" lengths for firewood.  Where the boards are being stacked, is right beside the primary drying rack, or they are also easily loaded on to the fel forks from there to move to other stacks, trailer, etc.
If I choose, I can take 4 bolts from the feet of the jacks, back up to the mill and leave with it. 

 

 
 
Just realized the other pic didn't show the angled beams to the ground.   :D   ::)

 

 

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Re: how much can a hobby mill handel
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2012, 07:38:24 AM »
About buying logs,I have been out of that for so long I don't really know.But i do know you will get some logs that will be real good and some real bad. Someone will have to scale them,or that's how I think they do it where you are.Meaning looking at it to see if the log is a #1,meaning a good log with hardly any defeats or a #4 meaning alot of defeats.Some states do it by weight.Than you will need a place for the truck to come in and turn around or not go too far into your place. some guys don't mind backing up with a trailer some do. Maybe a straight job will come in.
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DO NOT LAOD LOGS ONTO YOUR MILL WITH A TRACTOR!!!!
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Re: how much can a hobby mill handel
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2012, 07:46:05 AM »
Those are some sweet setups.  Great thread!  I have been working on the support equip before I get a mill.  Have been debating on starting with a manual mill or hydraulic.  This helps me thinking that a manual may work better than I thought.  My biggest concern of manual vs hyd is log turner and of course price. 
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Re: how much can a hobby mill handel
« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2012, 01:29:57 PM »
NSwoodworker
  A tri-axle log truck with a pup should be around 8-10,000 bf.  It could be a little less for hardwood.  I think your gov't figure is for just a truck.

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Re: how much can a hobby mill handel
« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2012, 05:15:43 PM »
Your Bf number is a bit low for a truck load of logs for this area. Our trucks haul around 50,000 LBS to a truck load. I cut in the 5000 bf range from the 25 tons of logs. This being said when you get in a truck load of logs you have to be able to unload them. Most truckers don't like the idea of you pulling the logs off the back with your tractor. Other than that listen to WDH as I have taught him all I know and he still has a lot to learn. :D
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« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2012, 06:06:30 PM »
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« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2012, 06:11:27 PM »
The real tricky part is when you have nothing but hillside to work with.
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« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2012, 07:04:01 PM »
around here all the trucks are self-loading.
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Re: how much can a hobby mill handel
« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2012, 09:41:34 PM »
"A man should keep learning his whole life in order not to stagnate".

From, "A Quote by WDH".  Published February 23, 2012  :).

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Re: how much can a hobby mill handel
« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2012, 08:57:32 PM »
A group of us hired a sawyer to saw lumber in a variety of dimensions, he had a hydraulic wood mizer Lt-40. The sawyer did not have to load a log, remove the slab, or remove and stack lumber.
 10 hours $55 an hour and we scaled the lumber at 3000-3500 board feet. Changed blade 4 times
The hydraulic mill can load the logs. But someone still has to manually remove the slabs and lumber, which is a lot of work carrying the waste product..
If you buy logs and saw them into boards to build a garage it would take time to cut the boards. Then to nail up the boards to your building will take time. If you are doing everything yourself well, it is your time. But if you have to hire a carpenter to nail up the boards the cost of labor would be high. You might be better off to buy sheets of chipboard.
I think it would be cheaper to buy 2x4 at building supply stores when they have sales. Your sawmill costs are gas, blade sharpening, time, helper and logs. A large commercial sawmill in British Columbia can produce 2x4 and ship it to Nova Scotia cheaper than a hobby mill can buy the logs and cut 2x4.
The advantage of a owning a  hobby mill is more about being able to cut your own logs in the dimensions you want, anytime you have the time.
 I do think sawing your own lumber for your own projects is exciting and I recently bought a 13hp SMG Champion portable sawmill.(Made in Quebec) I want to make use of windfalls on my woodlot, maybe saw a little for neighbors.

Good luck picking a sawmill and finding a balance between the materials to buy and materials to mill.

PS the SMG clapboard siding technique is pretty traditional.
1. Make a cant to the width of the clapboard.
2. Place wedges on the cross beams of your mill under the cant, use log dogs to lock cant.
3. Cut clapboard, remove wedge, lock cant, repeat.
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Re: how much can a hobby mill handel
« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2012, 08:41:21 PM »
This has been a real good read for me since I am planning on buying a mill in spring.   It has open up my eyes about a few mills and setting up the mill.

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« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2012, 10:37:23 PM »
I think Retired-Jack makes a very good point.  If the idea is to save money by milling your own lumber for construction, then you may be disappointed.   I too think that you are better off buying structural lumber that comes from BC.  You'll need stamped and likely planed lumber to meet building code.  Around here it would cost about twice as much for me to mill my own structural lumber than to buy it (assuming I had to buy the logs and I get paid for the time I spent sawing and planing).  Building a log or timber frame home might be a different story.

You could potentially save money by producing your own flooring, cabinetry, trim, moulding and so on if you have all the equipment.  Even some of my walls and ceilings in my home are T&G V-joint 1 x 6 pine.

I second the figure of 8500-10,000 bdft per load for a self loading/unloading truck and pup.  Out of curiosity, what are spruce logs worth in Nova Scotia per 1000 bdft on the international scale? 


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