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« on: June 03, 2012, 07:49:48 AM »
My neighbor which lives threw the woods and could not see the mill turned me in to the county zoning for having a sawmill >:(. They sent me a letter putting a $500 per day fine on me if I ran it anymore. I can't even run it sawing my own logs to built my new fences and barn which I just went out and got here in the last few months. Not sure what I'm going to do now got to think about it for a few days but probably going to sell the mill. Just too much trouble having it somewhere else to saw the way I have to work (just a few hours now and then) and with my job taking it off site for jobs is just too much. Any zoning lawyers on here :-\? You guys can keep it in mind if you see anyone wanting a TK2000, like I said it could be for sale soon. Ricky
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Re: ran out of business
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2012, 07:53:50 AM »
Do they require you to have a business permit or what?
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Re: ran out of business
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2012, 07:54:24 AM »
What is the ordinance?

Noise?

Commercial operations?


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Re: ran out of business
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2012, 07:59:02 AM »
They found proof on internet that I was selling lumber and no "sawmill" is allow in the zoning here.
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Re: ran out of business
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2012, 08:23:24 AM »
I would check into what the ordinance says about farming. Your small mill might fall into that category if you are producing lumber from trees from your own property.   This is one of the reasons that I could not live in a place with a bunch of zoning.
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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2012, 08:28:10 AM »
I know how you feel, As chairman of the local planning board I see the crap happen all the time, Mostly by some cityit that says "not in my backyard". Around here sawmills fall under Ag and farm law, And with the right to farm law its hard to shout anyone down, But our thinking it not the same as the rest of the country right now We want to welcome any new places for jobs weather it be saw mills or PIG FARMS............start that as a rumor I think he would rather have a Mill :D

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Re: ran out of business
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2012, 08:30:23 AM »
I would run the nieghbor through the mill!!

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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2012, 08:38:10 AM »
I would fight  back. Try the farm direction. What is the difference between you advertising your lumber, and someone advertising hay? In both cases it was harvested and turned into a usable product. I would also invite out county commissioners, planning people, find economic development people in your county. Show them what  you do, why you do it, and the economic value you add to your area. Besides, been my experience a lot of people like to stand around and watch a mill run. Maybe one of those county commissioners might get the idea he would like to have a personal mill for his use. At this point, you can't really lose going this route.

And I agree with Lyle. Always remember to ask yourself... what would the Godfather do?

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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2012, 08:48:18 AM »
The US and Canada are getting to many rules and regulations to please the city folk that move out in the country side!!!

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« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2012, 08:52:51 AM »
I do have my land classifed as farm use but sawmills are not allow for commercial use, right now I'd just wish that they would let me saw the logs I went out and got for free and some that I paid for. Then I would figure out what to do next. Ricky
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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2012, 08:54:30 AM »
I understand your frustration  xlogger.  It would be impossible for me to wrap my mind around your situation.  I would have to see and read that ordnance for myself.  It sounds like an interpretation to me.
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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2012, 08:57:26 AM »
yes this guy just moved in about 6 months ago and I have had the a sawmill here for over 3 years now, no other neighbors care but we don't live close to each other. He moved to the country for peace and quite! Get this he telling me that the noise was not that much for them but he was worried that I could harm my ears, can you believe that!
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« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2012, 09:05:03 AM »
I will ell you a little story about my nieghbor..
When I first got my quarter section, I wanted to redo the south fence line. My neighbors driveway runs pretty close to the property line, I decided to be nice and leave him about 22 feet of trees, ya know just to be nieghborly. So anyways I got the cat down there and started to clean the fence line, He come up to me and said I was making a big mess and I should just run the fence without takin down any tree. I didnt say nothing to him and just carried on with what I was doing, thought to myself, you SOB!!!
so anyway a few years later the gas company wanted to drill a well on my place and asked where they could put the access road to thier well.
I told them to take it right down the property line on the south side..lol They knocked down every EDITED! tree along his driveway!!! lol Ya see, Justice rides a slow mule...lol sorry for the RANT

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« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2012, 09:45:20 AM »
That is taking things way too far.

Probaably you just need to look into things a bit more. I bet with your mill being there 3 years they cannot make you quit. The guy that protested will undoubtedly be buying lumber from you before long. PC
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Re: ran out of business
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2012, 09:48:31 AM »
That is taking things way too far.

The post Paul is referring to was deleted and the poster warned. The Forestry Forum will not allow such posts.
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« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2012, 09:57:09 AM »
This topic has me sweating bullets. Before starting my Frick project, I checked with the county building inspector's office to see if any permits would be necessary. I was told, "Agriculture buildings, pads, strucutures, sheds, etc... so long as they are exclusively for agriculture use are exempt from the permiting/inspection process." I live in a rural area of the county, in fact my neighbor has a 200 acre field where he grows corn. I checked the GIS website and found that his property is zoned for farming and mine residential however my property borders along his therefore it's within a "1/2 mile buffer." It looks like I'll be at the county zoning office tomorrow morning. Until then I'll be chewing off what little fingernails I have left.  :-[

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Re: ran out of business
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2012, 10:00:47 AM »
Sometimes reasoning can work. Had it work for me recently.

We had a job of timber. A small one, next to a much bigger job. I think the total paid was 800 for the cottonwood and other species, and 850 for the walnut. I called the neighbor as a courtesy call to tell them we would be in logging. He owns property on both sides of this place, although he only owns about 15 or so acres total. The logger went in and may or may not have strayed onto the neighbor. I truly believe the survey pins are way off base. He wanted paid for the logs he thought were on his place. I offered him more than what they were worth. He sent a letter saying he wanted 3000 dollars. I had ruined his deer hunting, blah blah blah. Wanting to get rid of this problem, I sent him a letter offering 1000. I also included in the letter that he ought to really try to get along in this county if he likes hunting. On one side is a guy that puts up my hay ground. On the other side is a guy that farms my farmground for me. As I pointed out, that is potential access to 1000's of acres of hunting. I even told him he could shoot a deer off my place, I didn't care. He called back. Said he decided my offer was fine.

The problem is, reasoning may no longer be an option for you. But if you can get a variance to keep your mill, you will need the neighbor's permission. Or it sure would help. Some times talking to someone can go a far ways. Might work. Might not. Look for an angle. Is there anything he is doing that might be against county code?

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« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2012, 10:08:44 AM »
There must be an avenue of relief--eg request a variance  ...
Know any lawyers?  Or find another mill site..Never quit..CBD

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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2012, 10:09:14 AM »
Sell the mill and buy a Harley, take the baffles out. Make friends with 20 other open-pipe types and invite them over everynight. Have burn-out contests until the sunrise. Keep this up for about 6 months, then send the neighbor a note asking if he misses your mill yet.......

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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2012, 10:14:55 AM »
Sell the mill and buy a Harley, take the baffles out. Make friends with 20 other open-pipe types and invite them over everynight. Have burn-out contests until the sunrise. Keep this up for about 6 months, then send the neighbor a note asking if he misses your mill yet.......

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