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Offline Chuck White

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Fuel Choices
« on: June 21, 2013, 10:39:29 AM »
Just looking for some opinions!

I've been using 87 octane gasoline in the 24hp Onan on my sawmill with 1 ounce of "Restore" and 1 ounce of "Seafoam" added to each 5 gallons of gasoline.

I'm thinking about the added cost of the Regular gas with the additives as compared to the 91 octane gasoline without the ethonal.

In this area, the 91 octane is about $.45 higher than the 87 octane.

The cost would still be slightly higher than the 87 octane, but I wouldn't have to put the additives in.

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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2013, 11:22:25 AM »
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..... 91 octane gasoline with the ethonal.

In this area, the 91 octane is about $.45 higher than the 87 octane.


Here, we pay more for the ethanol-free gas, by about $0.20 per gallon.  They are forcing the ethanol gas down our throats.
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Re: Fuel Choices
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2013, 01:16:06 PM »
i believe either way you are going to pay more because if you run regular gas, then you need to add stabil or any gas treatment to it so the water in the ethanol does not eat the fuel lines and the carbs up. i see these ethanol free gas stations but can you really be sure its ethanol free? I use the mid grade fuel, i to have a onan 24 hp performer and i mix stabil in it every time and sea foam about once every week. If you use the equipment everyday then you shouldn't have any problems but diffidently would add something to the ethanol to offset the water in it.
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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2013, 01:25:29 PM »
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diffidently would add something to the ethanol to offset the water in it.

And how does anyone know that these additives do anything to offset the water ?? Really don't.

When using these multitude of fuel addatives, seems there is really no way to know, but just go with the advertising that says it will work.
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Re: Fuel Choices
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2013, 01:34:45 PM »
Use non-ethanol gas.  Adding additives will not make the ethanol disappear, just prolong the eventual misery. 

Baileys has a very simple tester for detecting ethanol.  Tiny Tester
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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2013, 01:38:14 PM »
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And how does anyone know that these additives do anything to offset the water ?? Really don't.


 About the only way to know is if you was a chemist :D   Like you said you have to go with what looks best on TV to you .
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Re: Fuel Choices
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2013, 01:55:50 PM »
Chuck

Down here in Texas, there is no ethanol free fuel at any octane rating! The refiners ship it
to the distributors, and they add it before sending it to the stations! We need to loose
the middleman!          Andy
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Re: Fuel Choices
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2013, 03:23:18 PM »
There IS a way you can tell if there is ethanol in your gas.  Take a small, clear glass jar.  Put a bit of water in it, say an ounce or so.  Mark the level of the water on the outside of the jar.  Add in some of the gas in question, about an 8:1 ratio, so add a cup of gas.  Shake it up well for about a minute and let is stand overnight.  In the morning, if you can clearly see the water line at where you marked it before adding gas, your gasoline is ethanol free.  If the level of the water is high than the mark, there was ethanol in the gas that is now bonded with the water.  I learned this trick years ago.  I don't put ethanol in my ultralight aircraft engine...
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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2013, 03:33:55 PM »
That's a slick diy test, grweldon  ;)  You can buy premium up here, 90 or 91 octane, that is ethanol free at many stations. This is probably due to the high number of 2-stroke outboards and snowmobiles we have. I only run non ethanol in my 2 stroke engines, and any small engine I care about. If it is a Briggs and Stratton, I use old gas that I siphon out of old cars so that they have an excuse for all the problems they give me. Did I mention hate Briggs engines :D
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« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2013, 04:21:27 PM »
There is only a couple of places to get ethanol free gas here.  All too far away.

The car gets 87 octane with no additives.  85,000 miles and runs perfect.  The car before it got the same diet and ran perfect for 150,000 miles before selling it.  Same gas for the sawmill and lawnmower.  The sawmill and lawnmower are used at least once a week.  Gas drained from the lawnmower in winter.

The chainsaws get Husky black bottle which has a fuel stabilizer.  The outboard motors and generator get a heavy dose of Stabil Marine formula.  The local outboard motor wrench says no matter what you do start the engine and let it run for 10 minutes once a month.  I didnít use to do this with the generator and had to take it in for a carb job three times.  Finally learned and now start it on the first of every month.  Four years doing this and it starts/runs perfect.
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« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2013, 04:56:38 PM »
I do the same thing i crank everything as soon as i get home from offshore. I might not always need everything but when i do i make sure it runs. :D
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« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2013, 05:29:02 PM »
This site lists sources for ethanol free gas. http://pure-gas.org/

If there are any marina nearby they may have it, or airports, but expect to pay a big premium for Av-gas.

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« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2013, 06:45:23 PM »
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Just checked link pur-fuel, and a station six miles of my house says 87, 89, and 93 octane fuel with no ethanol. the report was dated in June so it must have just become available. Will be filling up car, truck and all gas cans Sunday and will continue to do so until no longer available...........Andy
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« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2013, 07:30:25 PM »
I don't like ethanol fuel but have little choice.I've not had any problems with it, newer equipment is designed to use it and my old two cylinder Deeres don't seem to care.Big thing is to keep it freash and add a little marine stabl.Its tough living in a goody goody liberal state. Frank C.
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Re: Fuel Choices
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2013, 07:57:39 PM »
I run non-ethanol fuel in all my power equipment and boat. I've noticed a significant difference in the way everything runs on non-ethanol. I pay around $.15 per gallon more than regular E10.

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« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2013, 10:51:13 PM »
I don't worry about the low ethanol mix in autos, gas in our vehicles has a way of not getting stale ::) I don't use ethanol gas in the 2 stroke engines because I worry about the premix getting broke down, and my 4 stroke power equipment sits enough I don't want the eater issues to deal with.
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« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2013, 10:53:56 PM »
I run the highest grade I can get at the gas stations. I just feel the small engines need it.My gas does not sit around long,and that is 5 gallons at a time. I do not use any additive in my straight gas. I know the oil mix has something for additive.
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« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2013, 08:07:54 AM »
Our state government in their infinite wisdom decided that we must have 10% ethanol in all grades of our gas. Go figure. >:(

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« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2013, 08:54:28 AM »
A couple of years ago I didn't run my Vermeer chipper for around two months. I couldn't get it started. Looked like some one had packed Vasiline in the carb. I run nothing but 91 non ethenol now in all my equipment.
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« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2013, 08:56:42 AM »
 

  What a mess!
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