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limbing saw?
« on: July 07, 2013, 11:50:08 AM »
I am in the market for a 40cc+/- saw for limbing and small firewood.I have a Jonsered 2163 for bucking and felling.At present I use a Husky 41 but it is getting tired.
Suggestions would be appreciated.
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Re: limbing saw?
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2013, 12:53:42 PM »
Don't know your price requirement I think a Sthil MS250 would be ideal if I were shopping right now.

Have an older 025, and its been a favorite. Good on fuel, reasonable power and lighter weight.


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Re: limbing saw?
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2013, 06:07:08 PM »
Got a 40 cc RedMax 7 mos back. Compact, maneuverable, light, very fuel efficient (strato). Only problem was carb required dealer-only tool for adjustment.

Ran it alongside friends 250 stihl. Both chains razor-sharp. No contest- friend said "I want one of those." 250 came up short performance-wise against $94 PP4218 too. Woof woof.  ::)

Another viable candidate for you: Husqy 435 (40 cc) via VMInnovations dot com
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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2013, 06:55:15 PM »
Got a 40 cc RedMax 7 mos back. Compact, maneuverable, light, very fuel efficient (strato). Only problem was carb required dealer-only tool for adjustment.

Ran it alongside friends 250 stihl. Both chains razor-sharp. No contest- friend said "I want one of those." 250 came up short performance-wise against $94 PP4218 too. Woof woof.  ::)

Redmax 7 (5.0hp) vs ms250 (3.0hp)  ... 60% more power on your saw, no surprise it cut faster.  Want to run yours against a MS660? Thats only 60% more power than your saw. Bet the 660 out cuts it.  :D

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Re: limbing saw?
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2013, 07:56:20 PM »
Hard to beat a used 026 or if you can get a deal on a ms260, they are a pro saw, light and great for limbing and firewood needs.
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Re: limbing saw?
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2013, 08:38:02 PM »
026/260 is a nice 3 cuber. A tad bit smaller an 024 does real well for only being 42 cc or so.< period space for the English teacher . :D

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Re: limbing saw?
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2013, 06:05:46 AM »
After reading the thread on Dolmar saws,I called my local dealer.I am buying a PS421 this weekend.Price-$300.00

Thanks for your input,Mick
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Re: limbing saw?
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2013, 06:50:00 AM »

 Dolmar or Echo 40cc, both built and cut good.     Steve
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Re: limbing saw?
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2013, 08:44:07 AM »
After reading the thread on Dolmar saws,I called my local dealer.I am buying a PS421 this weekend.Price-$300.00

Thanks for your input,Mick

Very good choice  ;)
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Re: limbing saw?
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2013, 08:45:57 AM »
Redmax 7 (5.0hp) vs ms250 (3.0hp)

So youre saying a 40cc Redmax has nearly as much power has my 044's..........  oz_smiley
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Re: limbing saw?
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2013, 09:04:03 AM »
Got a 40 cc RedMax 7 mos back. Compact, maneuverable, light, very fuel efficient (strato). Only problem was carb required dealer-only tool for adjustment.

Ran it alongside friends 250 stihl. Both chains razor-sharp. No contest- friend said "I want one of those." 250 came up short performance-wise against $94 PP4218 too. Woof woof.  ::)

Redmax 7 (5.0hp) vs ms250 (3.0hp)  ... 60% more power on your saw, no surprise it cut faster.  Want to run yours against a MS660? Thats only 60% more power than your saw. Bet the 660 out cuts it.  :D

What are you talking about? (Sounds like a nerve was touched?)

I said 40 cc RedMax. Please relax and read the post. And I don't care much about power ratings, as they can be readily futzed about, like 3 hp for 250- let's get real. I do care about A/B side-by-side comparisons. And the seriously-plastic stihl 250 came out bottom. That's all that interests me. And the friend, who had some serious stihl-heads (his words) pushing him to buy the 250, looks to sell it. Wanna buy one?

Friend is much better now at independent, critical thinking. Really likes the late-70s vintage Homie 150 I freshened up for him, much more than the 250 in fact.
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Re: limbing saw?
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2013, 09:10:19 AM »
Redmax 7 (5.0hp) vs ms250 (3.0hp)

So youre saying a 40cc Redmax has nearly as much power has my 044's..........  oz_smiley

Seems the stihl guys are getting tied up in knots here. Reading comprehension prob.?

Again, power ratings are often intended to mislead. Besides, simple peak power rating doesn't tell you much. Fact is, the GZ4000 can generate much usable power because of compactness, lightness, efficiency. It seriously gets the job done, and gives every indication that it will do that for a long time. OTOH, the stihl 250's bar studs screw into PLASTIC.
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Re: limbing saw?
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2013, 11:39:15 AM »
OTOH, the stihl 250's bar studs screw into PLASTIC.

Really now... give credit where credit is due!  It's a metal-interted piece of plastic!  (dripping with sarcasm in case you can't "feel" it)  :D
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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2013, 03:10:51 PM »
 
 On a MS250 it's hard to find any bolt or screw that screws into metal except the engine itself.  The bar studs should have a metal insert molded into the case but Stihl makes more money having them screw into plastic.   Steve
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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2013, 04:20:02 PM »
I have a Echo CS 400 it is very light and cuts quite well.

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« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2013, 04:31:16 PM »
Reading comprehension prob.?

Nope......I read just fine thanks. "Edited"

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Fact is, the GZ4000 can generate much usable power because of compactness, lightness, efficiency.
yeah, but if you have to take it to the dealer for tuning, how efficient it that?
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Re: limbing saw?
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2013, 04:53:04 PM »
I'm with the crowd for a Stihl 026. Mine is from the early 90's. Pushed it hard for 4 summers. Still runs fine. Powerful enough to do some serious cutting and falling of Pacific Yew (up to 20" dbh) and nimble with fast enough chain speed for delimbing. Needed to keep the chain pretty sharp to keep away the "chatter"!  We were harvesting the bark for the Taxol before it was made synthetically.

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« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2013, 05:44:19 PM »
I have a Echo CS 400 it is very light and cuts quite well.

 And is built good, starts on the first pull once started in the morning,  my favorite small saw  and I have way too many.   Steve
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« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2013, 07:18:10 PM »
A good limbing saw should be  light, hyper powerband and  good ergonomics [outboard clutch making b/c better centered helps too.]
What I've found better then my 346XP is the 550XP Husky with its rev boost feature, these are actually "bigger limbing saws " compared to the smaller ones Husky has put out. I heard the new 543XP is ultra high rpm, even a bit lighter then the old hyper 242XP.
I like the 550/346XP size for bigger conifer and heavy hardwood limbs. 
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« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2013, 07:53:16 PM »

 Seems like most really high RPM saws I've run are gutless, lack torque. Cut good so long as everything is perfect.   Steve
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« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2013, 08:35:59 PM »
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What are you talking about? (Sounds like a nerve was touched?)

I said 40 cc RedMax.

Less familiar with redmax, when I looked the only close match on products was the GZ7000, which I assumed you meant by "redmax 7"... which is their top powered saw. Often people shorten models, and leave out bits of the name... no nerve touched,  just have too many friends who make wild comparisons between not-even close things, and thought this might have been one of those sorts of situations.

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« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2013, 09:36:39 PM »
 :D Well you can be "brand loyal" if you want but when you cut to the chase just about any saw no matter who made it within a specific displacement range will cut nearly the same .Now this is not saying things like balance and ease of handling would be the same .

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« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2013, 04:38:36 AM »
 Handling and balance is another big plus for the Echo CS400.   Steve
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« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2013, 01:36:11 PM »
I liked the redmax before they were bought by husky. The new redmax's are just red huskys. Like that redmax 7000 = husky 570.

I liked the light redmax 3800 old school 38cc.   I also have a echo 3900 39cc that is light too.  Both under 10lbs PHO weights.

 I just dont like carrying 3cube 50cc weight saw in the 40cc package.  If I'm going to carry a 40cc saw weighing the same weight  as 50cc 10.8lbs to 11.4lbs I'm going with 50cc saw.

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« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2013, 02:24:21 PM »
If you can find an old stihl 009 in good shape, they are hard to beat for the combination of small size, light weight and power for anything up to 14-16" ;D
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« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2013, 04:22:11 PM »
I think if you look around you can find a lot of examples of building saws from the same platform .To name a few  Stihl 029-039 ,038AV-038 Magnum .McCulloch 10-10--Mac 700 and the list goes on .

People of course like to refer to Stihl or Husqvarna but it might surprise a few how well some of the Poulans in the sub 3 cube class run.Fact I've got some Craftsman model of a 46 cc saw that can get with the program ---for a little while .It's a work in progress .Seals no doubt .


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