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???How much to charge for live edge live oak and cedar????
« on: September 21, 2013, 06:32:11 PM »
JMoore and I had a visitor today who owns a retail lumber store and he was interested in buying some live edge 2" and 3"x as wide as possible x 10' live oak, southern red cedar and possibly some other stuff.  I just do not know what would be a fair price to ask.  I know I will not get nearly as much as Poston got for his oak several weeks ago.  We want to be fair and hopefully sell it at a price where he will want to buy quite a bit and still make it worth our effort.  The slabs will be kept in order for book matching.  We were thinking of $1.50 a board foot for the oak and $2.00 for the cedar.  Does this sound reasonable?
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Re: ???How much to charge for live edge live oak and cedar????
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2013, 06:58:41 PM »
Measure the small end and wide end, take the avg. calculate the bdft, and charge what you need. this is a product that has value, as easy as it is, you have the means, they don't, a buck a bdft is fair, it's worth tons more when finished.  a touchy feely kinda thing,   david
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Re: ???How much to charge for live edge live oak and cedar????
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2013, 07:09:01 PM »
Pricing Live Edge slabs has a lot to do with:
1. The width.....is the width tapered or keep a consistent width.
2. Has the Live Edge been damaged.....at all. Damaged live edge will lower the price.
3. Will the edge have the bark on it or not.
4. The sawyer can also square and sand the edges of each end of a slab and get more for it also.
5. The market where you are located plus competition from other slab sellers will also affect your pricing.

The slabs I sold for $300.00 each will be for Bar Tops in a restaurant. The grain and other factors had a lot to do with the cost.

All my slabs 16 inches wide and wider, 2 - 3 inches thick,  start at $100.00 and go up depending on all these factors.

I use board footage for lumber only. Slabs are a unique product grown by nature and IMO should be priced according to your market.
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Re: ???How much should we charge for live edge live oak and cedar???
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2013, 07:10:51 PM »
Yes, your figures are good, lots of value with this product.  david
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Re: ???How much to charge for live edge live oak and cedar????
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2013, 07:48:37 PM »
If both edges are live edges I believe the industry standard is to measure the entire length of the slab. Divide it by 1/3 and measure this distance from the narrow end of the slab. At that point measure the narrow face of the slab. That width is the width you use to figure bdft if selling by the bdft.

So for example if a slab was 8' 6" long that's 102 inches divided by 3 = 34" at the 34" point from the narrow end on the narrow face it measures 22" wide then that would be the width to use. 2" thick x22" wide x 8' long would be 29.33 bdft. X price per bdft = selling price.

I guess they figure the extra width on the wide end off sets the narrower width on the other end of the slab.

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Re: ???How much to charge for live edge live oak and cedar????
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2013, 08:37:08 PM »
I think that your prices are a bit low. 
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« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2013, 08:40:24 PM »
I always round to a even number. lets say its 2 inches thick and 9 wide  if you can get a 2x8 out of it thats all i charge for is clean lumber,and by the bd foot ,but thats just me.
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Re: ???How much to charge for live edge live oak and cedar????
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2013, 09:02:05 PM »
I always round to a even number. lets say its 2 inches thick and 9 wide  if you can get a 2x8 out of it thats all i charge for is clean lumber,and by the bd foot ,but thats just me.
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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2013, 09:08:02 PM »
I've only sold a couple erc slabs for a $100 each.2"x8' . The guy finished with poly. Set them on cheap Walmart metal frame , now in his shop  asking $1000! He won't get them from me f ::)or less than$200 each, next time

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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2013, 09:31:12 PM »
I can tell you I sold 2 mantles to a local builder a few weeks ago, pine live edge, bumpy with limbs. Both were 4" thick one was 50 something and the other 70 something. I also cut some 2 corbels for each also live edge. I charged a little over $800 and they were thrilled. The builders wife came to my place, and we cut them while she was there, as she wanted them. Dont under sell your product that can only come from a saw mill and customer cut to order.
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Re: ???How much to charge for live edge live oak and cedar????
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2013, 09:32:28 PM »
I've only sold a couple erc slabs for a $100 each.2"x8' . The guy finished with poly. Set them on cheap Walmart metal frame , now in his shop  asking $1000! He won't get them from me f ::)or less than$200 each, next time

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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2013, 09:35:25 PM »
Live edge slabs that are dry and ready to use that are 20" wide or more will sell for $8. bdft  However you need to display and get them in front of paying customers.  Which is what the guy buying them from you is doing.  So for you selling to him at $4. bdft it is good for both of you I would think.  I try to keep the best slabs for making tables that I am able to sell for $1,800 -$2,500.  I sell the rest as I told you for $4. bdft.  Many of you may know of Graf brothers in Kentucky.  Go look at what they are selling and what they are getting.  I believe they take there lower grade logs that will not make good lumber and cut them for slabs.  They then charge more for the slabs per bdft than the highest grade lumber they sell.
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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2013, 09:36:34 PM »
Thanks for all of the suggestions.  I guess it is a lot easier to lower a price than to raise it.
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« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2013, 09:41:08 PM »
Be aware that live oak can be a booger to dry. Warps and checks easily and is harder than rock once dry. Make sure your customers know that. If you are selling dried stock, price that in to the equation.
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« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2013, 10:54:19 PM »
The live edge slabs that bring the best price are the two that are on each side of the center (pith). They yield the closest to the 90 edge. 
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« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2013, 07:32:49 AM »
I agree that you are under pricing. In my circle slabs fun around $7 BF, then add on for figure, rarity, etc.
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« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2013, 08:32:10 PM »
I called the guy today and told him we would mill our logs to his specifications for $1 more per board foot than we originally posted on the forum.  For this, we will end seal, sticker, and deliver to his business.  I told him our price was lower than what most of you suggested and that I would like for him to eventually purchase a good amount from us and everybody make money.  We will keep you posted.
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Re: ???How much to charge for live edge live oak and cedar????
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2013, 11:28:38 AM »
Good luck and I hope it works out for both parties involved. Maybe ask him what he plans on doing with the slabs so that you can better serve him (i.e. bark on or off? squared ends? ). I would htink it would be easier for you to do these simple things and charge another $1 to get it done.
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« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2013, 06:52:17 PM »
The fellow plans to air dry them in his shop/warehouse and eventually sell them to high end customers to build live edged tables, desks or counters.  He has not called me back since I suggested a price on Monday.  We intended to deliver them sticker stacked in the order they came out of the log, ends sealed and sprayed all over with solubor (sp).  I think that most of the bark would eventually come off of the oak as it dried and the cedar would have to be peeled, sanded or taken off with a draw knife or something. 
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