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Started by brent smith, November 17, 2013, 04:37:12 AM

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bill m

I have 2 saws with the flippy caps and, other then replacing the o ring last week on one of them, have never had a problem.
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Al_Smith

Now come on now ya'll .Don't be throwing the baby out with the bath water again .

The problem is simple ,the Buna-n o-ring swells up then it's easier to shove 10 pounds of potatoes in a 5 pound sack then get the danged cap closed .Did Stihl mess up,yes .Will they ever admit it --no .Now they might have fixed it but the remedy  is simple .Instead of buying flippeys by the gross just change the o-rings .

It's OEM part number 9645-948-2470 .It has to be cheaper than an 8 dollar flippy .I've found them on line from 33 cents to 2 bucks .It's generic size metric M 23 by 3 .

jhellwig

Quote from: brent smith on November 18, 2013, 11:29:21 AM
beenthere, I'm under no illusion that I'm going to "straighten Stihl out", to many homeowners out there to sell their flippies to... and jhellwig, I couldn't be any more calm and breathing just fine when dealing with your beloved flippies, you guys that think the only thing that goes wrong with those caps is pilot error are dead wrong... its a mechanical cap made by humans and both fail... this whole thing boils down to homeowner and pro, if you make your living or run your saws all day then carrying the tool to adjust the chain tension with you is a must anyway and you would never be without the tool to loosen the "foolproof" gas and oil caps... Its really that simple.

It has been said time and time again that if you start ramming around the flippy caps you have problems but if you take your time and pay attention they work just fine.  It isn't rocket surgery.  It is just a cap that you put in the hole, turn it a half a turn and flip the tab down.

You can get mad and yell and scream about them all you want but apparently they are working for a lot of people otherwise they wouldn't still be using them.  If you don't like it, fine, but don't get mad at people that are just trying to help you not have a problem with them.
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Al_Smith

 :D New ones go in easy .After they get some age they get stubborn .Kind like my wife says about me .--people in glass houses---

Lanternguy

i really like the flippy caps i have them on my MS361, 600 Magnum Blower and recently bought a stihl Hedge trimmer HS46 c-e and one of the reason for choosing Sthil over Echo was the "flippy cap thing", i hate having to look for the tool, cant tell you how many times I've used a big flat head screwdriver because i cant find the tool or forgot to bring it.   
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Fatcougar

Love my flippy caps on the new 461, wish I had them on my 026!
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Grimmy

Got the flippys on my 441c and love em.  Have the screw ones on my ms660 and always have to dig around for the wrench to open em.  Just have gotten used to it, but I'd prefer the flippys.

MidWestTree

Quote from: Al_Smith on November 18, 2013, 08:23:27 PM
Now come on now ya'll .Don't be throwing the baby out with the bath water again .

The problem is simple ,the Buna-n o-ring swells up then it's easier to shove 10 pounds of potatoes in a 5 pound sack then get the danged cap closed .Did Stihl mess up,yes .Will they ever admit it --no .Now they might have fixed it but the remedy  is simple .Instead of buying flippeys by the gross just change the o-rings .

It's OEM part number 9645-948-2470 .It has to be cheaper than an 8 dollar flippy .I've found them on line from 33 cents to 2 bucks .It's generic size metric M 23 by 3 .

Common issue with e-gas blends, it takes a pair of channel locks to get a box store Poulan screw in fuel cap back in or out of the hole after the plastic threads and cap seal are exposed to ethanol blended gas. The only thing that really seems to like corn likker is Mason jars and possibly myself on a rare occasion.

I'm replacing all my orange saws with new Stihls the minute they bring the FI technology out with them, and I'll surely keep new seals in the saw box and change them out on a regular rotation so the caps work as designed.

CTYank

Don't understand the comments about having to use a scrench to remove caps on non-stihls. I've never had to do that. I run 89 octane E-10. A friend, who used his scrench to tighten the caps on an Echo, also had to use his scrench to remove them, with resulting damage. After telling him "hand tight will do" no more probs.

About this flippy stuff, there's much in Waiblingen that I'll never understand.
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Al_Smith

Wow we agree on something.I don't get it either .They crank down on the caps like they are holding back sea pressure or something .

Those tree trimmers have them so gnarled up you have to use a set of channal locks to get the caps off .

Now this flip flap thing again .I took the liberty of lookng at flea bay and found packages of 50 m3 by 23 ID o-rings for $4.05 with free shipping .Meaning you could buy 100 for about the price of one cap .I have about 20 myself so I don't need any at the moment .Now just how cheap is that I ask you .

trapper

I use premium with no ethanol in all my 2 cycle equipment.
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Al_Smith

Well I suppose people like me would have a choice .Either buy av gas or drive 95 miles lake Erie to find pure gasoline .

Ethanol is not going to go away ,we're stuck with it .The farmers thought it was great until the bottom fell out of the corn market but the price of seed and fertilizer didn't budge an inch .Nor did the price of diesel fuel as far as I know .

So you just get real good at rebuilding things and arguing over the internet so it's not a total lose .

shootingarts

Quote from: ely on November 18, 2013, 11:54:32 AM
I hated the flippy caps when they came out, I broke several of them, I do now pay more attention to the caps and how they are oriented, and I have less problems with them also... my fix to the problem of breaking the flippy caps is after several trips to the shop to purchase another one... I bought seven of them at once, then I have not broken one since. keep in the glove boxes of several trucks just in case.

This is the cure to all issues! I can be having something fail several times a week. Get fed up and buy a bunch of spares and that will cure the problem, I'll still have all or almost all of the spares ten years later!  ???  Not sure if it was the same or the reverse true stocking things at my business. Start selling two or three of an item a week so go ahead and make a bulk purchase . . . and instantly go to selling two or three a year!

Gonna check the seals on my screw on caps that take a gorilla to get them back off, I suspect the O-rings are the cure for that.

Hu

M_S_S

I don't have a problem with the flippy caps as I run all Husqvarnas. I had Stilhs years ago, before flippy caps and liked them. Five or six years ago I moved north and gave my Stilhs to my son, bought Huskies cause there was a dealer close(25miles) to me. I do agree with Brent though, if you make a living with your saws you *DanG sure carry a bar wrench with you. ED
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Yatt

Quote from: H 2 H on November 18, 2013, 02:04:01 PM
A wise man once said

"You have to be smarter then the flippy cap"


I use my neighbors Stihl pole saw frequently and all flippy caps are not the same.  The ones on this saw cannot be replaced without 60 seconds of putzing with them.  Don't tell me I don't know how to seat them either. 

I just cannot fathom why a screw in cap with an O ring needs to be improved on. 

Also as another poster said, I never use a scrench either on my Huskies, just finger tight and they are fine.
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Al_Smith

Nobody knows why they went to flippy caps .Just Stihl being Stihl I guess .Like I said it's just something you have to live with .Shucks I once had an 034 that had a 360 Bottom handle .Half flippy half screw .

I'm sure they thought it was a grand plan but in the long run annoys a lot of people .I just deal with it .I'm telling you though it's the danged o-rings .Take my word for it or fight with them .Eventually you'll break a cap no doubt .I only broke one until I figured it out .

deerslayer

I detest flippy caps, to the extent that it prevents me from buying a newer Stihl. I have a number of Stihls and they are my preferred brand but none of my regular use saws have the flippy caps. the only MS series I have is a 660 and fortunately they didn't violate that model. I do have flippies on my pole saw and one of my brush cutters so have some experience with them. Never broke one but not sure why they went from a simple and effective cap to a more complex and expensive cap? I rarely have to use a scrench to loosen an old style cap. Just twist it off like I twisted it on. glad some people like them, I'm just not one of those people.
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NH4000

Quote from: Al_Smith on November 21, 2013, 07:23:39 PM
Nobody knows why they went to flippy caps .Just Stihl being Stihl I guess

When everyone loves them, Stihl will change them. Just play along.

Repeat after me
Ich lieb mein flippenkappz.  Ich lieb mein flippenkappz.  Ich lieb mein flippenkappz.  Ich lieb mein flippenkappz. 
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beenthere

Ich lieb mein flippenkappz.  Ich lieb mein flippenkappz.  Ich lieb mein flippenkappz.  Ich lieb mein flippenkappz.
:D


I be sayin that all along...   ;D
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bandmiller2

Weekend homeowners have done a great disservice to the chainsaw industry,seems everything now is dumbed down to their level. Frank C.
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treefireguy

I own four Stihl Saws from a 192 to a 440.  All have those flippy caps.  I sorta kinda like them for the most part, but always carry an extra in my truck because they do break.  The worst is when you just can't get them to seat right.. uughh.  In fact the one on my Kombi Trimmer head fell apart yesterday.  Definitely not an issue of leaving the trusted Stihl brand over I must say.  I am hoping that the bigger saws might get the old caps again.   If I had a choice I would choose the old style however.

turnkey

Quote from: brent smith on November 17, 2013, 04:37:12 AM
I currently own 5 Stihl saws from 011 to 066... 4 of which have the new style gas and oil caps (which I hate) I've been told Stihl went to that style cap because Joe Homeowner couldn't be trusted to carry the adjustment tool with him that was needed to loosen the old fail proof caps... I am so fed up with these new caps failing and not staying closed that I am ready to jump ship after 35 years of faithful Stihl use... anyone have anything to offer in the way of tricks to keep those caps from failing...

What "tool to loosen the ...caps?"  I have had many saws, Husky, Stihl, JohnnyRed, Poulan, Homey.  NOT ONE needed a tool to either tighten or loosen the cap.  Anyone who applies a "tool" to a screw-on cap is abusing the equipment.

As for flippy caps.  I have currently 4 saws with them, first one was the 310 in the early days of those caps.  I have NEVER had a problem with them failing.  Fogetting to put them on and not getting them seated correctly occasionally.  About the same number of times I had the same problem with screw ons.

That said, I do not know what Stihl was thinking they were accomplishing with them.  They didn't solve any problem I am aware of and are no faster to put on/off than a screw on.  I had to laugh when I got the 182T.  The devoted FOUR!! pages to 'how to operate the flippy caps'.  One would think if it takes 4 pages to that subject, the engineers would have taken a step back and asked themselves what they were doing.  :).

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JohnG28

I wonder why Husky is coming out with their own version of this cap if it is such a terrible idea to so many people? I personally don't see the issue, but that's just me....
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beenthere

QuoteIch lieb mein flippenkappz.  Ich lieb mein flippenkappz.  Ich lieb mein flippenkappz.  Ich lieb mein flippenkappz.

;D
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shelby78

I just read thru all this and I'm sure I will get flamed but here is my opinion.... I'm a professional tree cutter that does it 8 months a year and 5 days a week. We only use stihl saws. We have flippy caps and standard caps. All our saws are pro models.

We have no issues with flippy caps and have never broken even one. We end up with different help every season and lots of the time multiple different help every season. Both our 201t's use flippy caps and get filled multiple times daily.

It's easy to see why they went to flippy caps if you use saws daily and use a stihl bar wrench to open them...On a 66 660 or 066 (same saw just different years) if you use the stihl bar wrench after even a few times you start to dig sideways into the slot if it got overtightened even a bit. The more slop you get the more slop you make. Then as it gets sloppy it starts to make the wrench slide up and you make it more sloppy. After its too loose you start to have to push harder down while turning to stop the wrench from sliding up. At this point you can push so hard to eventually push thru the bottom of the cap.

All this doesn't happen overnight but when you use your saws heavily/daily you see a pattern. We don't use a stihl bar wrench to open gas caps as the standard head on it is too small. We use a large head standard screwdriver for the caps only.

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