The Forestry Forum is sponsored in part by:

iDRY Vacuum Kilns


Forestry Forum
Sponsored by:


TimberKing Sawmills



Toll Free 1-800-582-0470

LogRite Tools



Norwood Industries Inc.




Your source for Portable Sawmills, Edgers, Resaws, Sharpeners, Setters, Bandsaw Blades and Sawmill Parts

EZ Boardwalk Sawmills. More Saw For Less Money!

STIHLDealers.com sponsored by Northeast STIHL


Woodland Sawmills

Peterson Swingmills

 KASCO SharpTech WoodMaxx Blades

Turbosawmill

Sawmill Exchange

Michigan Firewood, your BRUTE FORCE Authorized Dealer

FARMA


Baker Products

ECHO-Bearcat

iDRY Wood Lumber Vacuum Drying for everyon

Nyle Kiln Dry Systems

Chainsawr, The Worlds Largest Inventory of Chainsaw Parts





Author Topic: Requesting advice on timber sale for my land  (Read 2489 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline stdout

  • member
  • *
  • Posts: 7
  • I'm new!
    • Share Post
Requesting advice on timber sale for my land
« on: February 26, 2014, 06:31:51 PM »
I have about 50 acres of mixed timber forest in Texas and have been approached by a harvester who wants to harvest my trees on a "pay as cut" basis. He's given me an agreement to read and sign and now I'm uncertain about what to do.

The forest has never been harvested as far as I can tell so I like the idea of getting something out of it, along with perhaps replanting pines immediately afterwards. But many areas of the forest I don't want cut lest it interfere with our privacy from the roads.

Does anyone have any pointers that I should consider before moving ahead on this? I'd love to hear your thoughts and will answer any questions you may have.

Offline chain

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 997
  • Location: Missouri
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
Re: Requesting advice on timber sale for my land
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2014, 06:59:50 PM »
Well, one rule is to know what you have before you cut. You may have some very valuable trees and could be your acreage just needs an 'improvement cut' or thinning, which  could be marked for harvest by a forester. I would seek professional advice.

And, welcome to the forum!

Offline stdout

  • member
  • *
  • Posts: 7
  • I'm new!
    • Share Post
Re: Requesting advice on timber sale for my land
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2014, 07:03:04 PM »
Thank you. There are definitely some really nice trees in my woods. When you say I need professional advice, what kind of professional would one turn to? Is the harvester himself not a professional?

Online Peter Drouin

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 9329
  • Location: New Hampshire
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
    • A&P Saw mill LLC
Re: Requesting advice on timber sale for my land
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2014, 07:09:43 PM »
Go see your county forester, he knows all the loggers and see what he has to say and it should not cost nothing. :)
A&P saw Mill LLC.
45' of Wood Mizer, cutting since 1987.
License NH softwood grader.

Offline stdout

  • member
  • *
  • Posts: 7
  • I'm new!
    • Share Post
Re: Requesting advice on timber sale for my land
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2014, 07:38:21 PM »
Thank you, Peter, I will do just that.

In Texas we have the Texas A&M Forest Service, which is what I think would be the Texas analog of a county forester. I know those guys so I'll stop in there this week and get some advice.

Thank you both.

Online Peter Drouin

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 9329
  • Location: New Hampshire
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
    • A&P Saw mill LLC
Re: Requesting advice on timber sale for my land
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2014, 07:45:48 PM »
Good luck  :)
A&P saw Mill LLC.
45' of Wood Mizer, cutting since 1987.
License NH softwood grader.

Offline mad murdock

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 3516
  • Age: 55
  • Location: NW OREGON Near Carlton.
  • Gender: Male
  • The woods is the best "office"!
    • Share Post
Re: Requesting advice on timber sale for my land
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2014, 07:50:38 PM »
X2 on getting a forester to chime in on the deal. Hope it goes well for you and the logger you contract to do the job.
Turbosawmill M6 (now M8) Warrior Ultra liteweight, Granberg Alaskan III, lots of saws-gas powered and human powered :D

Offline OneWithWood

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 5680
  • Age: 66
  • Location: Unionville, IN
  • Gender: Male
  • I am happy!
    • Share Post
Re: Requesting advice on timber sale for my land
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2014, 08:02:30 PM »
The A&M guys will probably tell you this same thing.  Get a consultant forester.  He will be able to tell you what you have and what ought to be done to achieve the goals you set.  Based on your goals he/she will mark the timber, put the sale up for bid ( guarantees you the best price for what you have ) and will provide a contract that looks out for you and your land.
I find that getting full payment before a single tree is cut is the best avenue for all concerned.
One With Wood
LT40HDG25, Woodmizer DH4000 Kiln

Offline Claybraker

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 315
  • Location: White Oak, Ga
  • Gender: Male
  • Mostly New!
    • Share Post
Re: Requesting advice on timber sale for my land
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2014, 08:05:38 PM »
+1 on getting a professional that represents your interests involved, especially if this was an unsolicited offer to harvest your timber.

A huge problem we NIPF's have, most of the time we really have no clue what our timber is worth.

Offline DeepCreek

  • Full Member
  • **
  • Posts: 66
  • Location: E. TN
  • Gender: Male
  • I'm new! No, really!!
    • Share Post
Re: Requesting advice on timber sale for my land
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2014, 08:27:45 PM »
When I was looking at a piece of land that appeared to have a lot of marketable timber, I went online after reading my State Forestry Division's wise advice to seek professional guidance. I found a first class timber management company that handled everything including proper logging contracts for a fixed percentage of the receipts or a minimum fee.

Long story short, they came out at their own expense, looked at the property and the timber and advised me that it would be better to wait another twenty years before trying to harvest the timber and that I would probably realize little profit if it was cut at that time.

As a result, I decided against purchasing that particular property and kept on looking.

In contrast, some of my neighbors simply went with small logging outfits that generally paid pretty poorly and didn't do a proper clean up. The loggers made out, but my neighbors didn't get all that much, and they didn't have the protection of properly managed timber contracts.

Offline clww

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 5159
  • Age: 52
  • Location: Williamsville, VA & Some Interstate Near You
  • Gender: Male
  • Oh yeah? Watch this!
    • Share Post
Re: Requesting advice on timber sale for my land
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2014, 08:31:58 PM »
Welcome to the Forestry Forum, stdout and Deep Creek. :)
As others posted, talk with a professional forester before you make a deal with a professional logger.
Many Stihl Saws-16"-60"
"Go Ask The Other Master Chief"
18-Wheeler Driver for Crete

Offline stdout

  • member
  • *
  • Posts: 7
  • I'm new!
    • Share Post
Re: Requesting advice on timber sale for my land
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2014, 09:11:08 PM »
This is fantastic advice and exactly the kind of direction I was hoping to get.

I'll start looking for a professional forester consultant. So that I don't get the wrong direction: is there a directory somewhere where such people can be found? Or just the old fashioned yellow pages?

Offline thenorthman

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 850
  • Location: Western Warshington...
  • Now we're logging
    • Share Post
Re: Requesting advice on timber sale for my land
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2014, 09:25:21 PM »
Yellow pages under forestry, or forest management, Some other things online but I'm not to positive about Texas.


Always be wary of anyone knocking on your door and offering money.  They may be reputable, or they could come in take only the valuable timber and leave you with a mess of broken scarred standing timber, and if they offered cash upfront, I guarantee they are making out like a bandit.

As tempted as I am of door knocking I have to tell myself that this is how I would be seen...

Otherwise get a forester or at the very least contact a couple few loggers and get a couple of bids.  With any luck you'll run across an honest logger that will tell you exactly what you have and what its worth and how much they need to remove it for.  Don't discount the folks that pay on percentage only, timber markets are volatile so a guy can't always count on paying what the timber is worth once it gets to the mill, so its a little safer to go with a percentage split, at least then both parties are getting paid something...

One other thing, if dude is door knocking it generally means they are desperate for the work, which could either mean they are hurting for money, or hurting for work, either way desperation causes people to make poor decisions, and cut corners that they would otherwise not cut.  I'm not saying that all who knock on doors are desperate, just that's the image portrayed.
well that didn't work

Offline thecfarm

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 29657
  • Age: 58
  • Location: Chesterville,Maine
  • Gender: Male
  • If I don't do it,it don't get done
    • Share Post
Re: Requesting advice on timber sale for my land
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2014, 05:50:37 AM »
stdout,welcome to the forum. Whatever you do look at the past logger's work before doing any cutting. Cutting wood will change the looks of your woods. Go to his other sites and really walk the woods and talk to the land owners too. I have had people contact me. Remember it's YOUR woods,have it cut the way YOU want it cut. Some want some trees left for wildlife,some want a certain area not touched because it looks pretty and some as you said for privacy. I have flagged certain trees and areas with orange flagging so the logger that cuts for me would remember what I wanted. This is plastic ribbon that comes in many color,I used orange. Can even be brought at walmart in my area. I myself would be kinda critical of someone knocking on my door too. Any one that is good in thier business should be busy. Be it a Doctor,mechanic,dentist or a logger. But maybe he's working close by too. Take your time and check things out. It will be worth it to do it.
I've had someone say to me,If I knew it was going to look like that,I would of never had it cut. Yes,it was a small job,and I felt he did a good job. They just had no idea what to expect.
Model 6020-20hp Manual Thomas bandsaw,TC40A 4wd 40 hp New Holland tractor, 450 Norse Winch, Heatmor 400 OWB,YCC 1978-79

Offline rockwall

  • Full Member x2
  • ***
  • Posts: 238
  • Location: central Maine
    • Share Post
Re: Requesting advice on timber sale for my land
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2014, 06:13:27 AM »
I totally agree with thecfarm! Ask around about the logger and definitely go see a couple of his job sites. He should be proud to show off the good forestry practices he uses, if he is really a professional. I stopped to see a young logger in my area yesterday. He was telling me about the harvest as we were standing in a very neat landing. Different species of logs and pulp were separated into neat piles, evidence he was trying to get the most out of the wood for himself and the landowner. It was also evident he was trying to make it as easy as possible for his trucker to come in, get a load and be off to the mill. A real team player! Then he said," You want to take a tour?" It was the end of the day,around 10 degrees, windy and he wanted to show me his good work. And it was really good forestry! I was really impressed!! It was great to see this fellow harvesting timber with an eye to the future.

Offline chevytaHOE5674

  • Forester
  • *
  • Posts: 3437
  • Location: Ontonagon Mi
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
Re: Requesting advice on timber sale for my land
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2014, 07:00:15 AM »
Would you sell your car, house, wife's jewelry, etc to some guy who walked up to you off the street offering you cash without first knowing the value of such items? Most likely not. So why sell timber that way?

Another vote for finding a good consulting forester. Get a management plan together and plan a harvest if one is needed. Your forester will also be able to help you with how to handle the taxes from selling timber.

Offline stdout

  • member
  • *
  • Posts: 7
  • I'm new!
    • Share Post
Re: Requesting advice on timber sale for my land
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2014, 08:37:00 AM »
In my situation, he did contact me out of the blue (door knocking). My feet are officially ice cold over this project and I'm not going to move forward without the proper help of a forestry consultant. I feel like your advice here has made me dodge a huge bullet. I appreciate it very much!

Offline Claybraker

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 315
  • Location: White Oak, Ga
  • Gender: Male
  • Mostly New!
    • Share Post
Re: Requesting advice on timber sale for my land
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2014, 09:35:52 AM »
I'm glad you've decided to be reasonable and do things my way.  8)

It wouldn't hurt to contact the extension foresters for a free looky at your timber, they may be able to provide you with some guidance, based on your objectives. Personally, I like to get as many opinions from as many sources as I can.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the idea of cutting some timber to raise a little cash, and in many cases you can improve the long term value of a stand if it's done correctly. As a fellow NIPF, timber sales aren't something we do very often so the deck is stacked against us.

Online Shotgun

  • Forester
  • *
  • Posts: 1108
  • Location: Michigan - Lower Peninsula - East Central Area
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
Re: Requesting advice on timber sale for my land
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2014, 09:39:25 AM »
Would you sell your car, house, wife's jewelry, etc to some guy who walked up to you off the street offering you cash without first knowing the value of such items? Most likely not. So why sell timber that way?



This is a very compelling response to this age-old question, Chevy.  This should be saved on the forum for further use, as we all know how often this question surfaces.  It quickly boils the question down to the most basic consideration.

Good one, Chevy.
Joined The Forestry Forum 5 days before 9/11.

Offline Texas Ranger

  • Forester
  • *
  • Posts: 7095
  • Age: 79
  • Location: Livingston, Texas, God's Country
  • Gender: Male
  • Texan, by God and by choice.
    • Share Post
Re: Requesting advice on timber sale for my land
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2014, 09:58:41 AM »
I am a consulting forester in Texas.  It would help to know what part of Texas, and the stand composition.  All oak, all pine, a mix, etc.

There are any number of consultants that can handle your interest in the timber,  a fee is charged, different consultants charge different fees.  If you have a 1d1 timber exemption they can do a management plan for the property that will placate the Tax assessor.  Again, at a fee.

If  your land is within 30 miles or so radius of my town, I would be happy to take a quick, free, look to tell you the way I would go.

As in anything, your mileage may vary with any one giving  you advise, and free advise is at best, free.

Oh, and welcome to the forum.
The Ranger, home of Texas Forestry


Share via delicious Share via digg Share via facebook Share via linkedin Share via pinterest Share via reddit Share via stumble Share via tumblr Share via twitter

xx
Need advice on small timber sale - resisting the walnut fever.

Started by deezler on Forestry and Logging

65 Replies
11358 Views
Last post April 02, 2013, 12:11:31 PM
by Claybraker
xx
Eastern U.P. land for sale. No longer for sale

Started by Jeff on For Sale

17 Replies
11212 Views
Last post January 18, 2019, 06:57:22 AM
by thecfarm
xx
Land Clearing Advice Needed!

Started by SMLWinds on Forestry and Logging

30 Replies
5374 Views
Last post August 11, 2016, 03:06:01 PM
by Piston
xx
thinning out neglected land and need some general advice...

Started by Piston on Forestry and Logging

27 Replies
6051 Views
Last post October 05, 2008, 07:36:20 PM
by Banjo picker
 


Powered by EzPortal