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First cedar on the mill and a Chinese Tallow (Popcorn tree)
« on: March 03, 2014, 10:15:34 PM »
Had a chance to cut a few trees out of my uncle's yard on Saturday and then dad and I got them milled on Sunday.

This was the first time we've milled cedar, so that was fun!
 

  

 

And then he wanted this popcorn tree down, too. Even though I had no idea what a popcorn tree was or if it was good for anything, I took the log and decided to see what was inside it! After a little research today, I figured out it's actually a Chinese tallow tree, and that it's called a popcorn tree because of the way the nuts look when they break open. From what little bit I could find, it sounds like I should have left it in a cant and used it for turning bowls. Oh well! it's in 1" stuff now. Guess I can laminate it later.
 

  

  

 

Here's a shot of dad pushing through the biggest cedar log we had.
 

 

Here's the whole load in logs.
 

 

And in boards, (we had some pine flitches to edge, too).
 

 

Anyone have experience with that popcorn tree? Do you know anything about the lumber from it?
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Re: First cedar on the mill and a Chinese Tallow (Popcorn tree)
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2014, 10:27:47 PM »
I had no idea what it looked like inside.  If it is not prone to split it could make some interesting turning stock.

That is a super looking sawmill.   smiley_thumbsup
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Re: First cedar on the mill and a Chinese Tallow (Popcorn tree)
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2014, 11:22:36 PM »
popcorn tree? never heard of it. All I want to know is where can I get some? ;) ;D ;D
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Re: First cedar on the mill and a Chinese Tallow (Popcorn tree)
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2014, 11:44:58 PM »
5quarter, they are all over here down South. Most people hate them because they get everywhere, especially down fence rows(from birds mostly at every fence post). They are pretty in the spring as the name implies their flowers bloom and look like a big pieces of popcorn. They will take a place over pretty quick in fields too if you don't keep it bush hogged. From my observations they grow pretty slow and usually don't get too big. I would say one of the biggest i have ever seen would probably be 14"DBH. Like I say most people around here, when you say "popcorn tree" the first thing they will say is "I hate popcorn trees"
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Re: First cedar on the mill and a Chinese Tallow (Popcorn tree)
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2014, 02:18:05 AM »
Like Mulberry or cedar trees here. I wouldn't mind swapping a load of mulberry for a load of that.  ;D ;D
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Re: First cedar on the mill and a Chinese Tallow (Popcorn tree)
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2014, 07:16:24 AM »
Chinese tallow is a major invasive plant that out-competes the native trees, especially in the bottomlands.  In many places, they are taking over the bottomlands, especially in the Florida Parishes of Louisiana.  They are very difficult to control and have no commercial value. 
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Re: First cedar on the mill and a Chinese Tallow (Popcorn tree)
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2014, 07:49:36 AM »
It would be very rare to find one large enough to saw and by the time it got that large it would have produced millions of seedlings.   :-\

There are no good words to be said for Chinese Tallow trees.  Kinda like privet and kudzu.   
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Re: First cedar on the mill and a Chinese Tallow (Popcorn tree)
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2014, 09:02:28 AM »
Nice looking wood! I love cutting cedar!! My only complaint is that the saw dust flies all over! Its beautiful wood tho. And relatively light.
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Re: First cedar on the mill and a Chinese Tallow (Popcorn tree)
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2014, 09:02:55 AM »
First time I've seen the inside of a pop corn tree so I don't know anything about the uses, but we certainly have too many of them here... in subdivisions and river bottoms.   I would be real interested to see how the wood dries if you'd keep us posted.

Magicman, I know what you mean about the pop corn and the privet, but please keep the kudzu on y'all's side of the river :D

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Re: First cedar on the mill and a Chinese Tallow (Popcorn tree)
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2014, 09:04:38 AM »
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There are no good words to be said for Chinese Tallow trees.
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Re: First cedar on the mill and a Chinese Tallow (Popcorn tree)
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2014, 09:06:52 AM »
My father in law loves them. He got a little aggravated when I told him they were invasive. But, I can think of one good thing to say about them. The honey bees love them. In this area if you  have a popcorn tree, you will have honey bees, (when they are blooming) which seem to be rare these days.
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Re: First cedar on the mill and a Chinese Tallow (Popcorn tree)
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2014, 09:49:43 AM »
and have no commercial value. 
Yet.  ;) ;D ;D

Chinese tallow is a major invasive plant that out-competes the native trees... 
You guys can keep the seedlings; I'll just take the logs.  ;) :)
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Re: First cedar on the mill and a Chinese Tallow (Popcorn tree)
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2014, 11:47:06 AM »
ERC is one of the nicer woods to saw. Saws good, makes nice woodworking lumber, rot resistant, dries quickly with little degrade. The stringy bark can plug things up a bit. I sawed a big popcorn tree a few months back, cut nicely. It's stickered under a big pile of cherry, seems ok so far.
MS, that log turner looks EXACTLY like mine, rusty, dirty, covered with sawdust, obviously made out of whatever you had handy.  ;D Good job.
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Re: First cedar on the mill and a Chinese Tallow (Popcorn tree)
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2014, 12:05:09 PM »
So how did the lower cuts of the popcorn cant turn out? From looking at the end there looks like some nice dark wood there.

5quater, I'll get you all the popcorn logs you want. Getting the barbed wire out of 'em might be a little tuff though. Nearly every pasture fence row around here is full of popcorn, cedar and sweetgum.
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Re: First cedar on the mill and a Chinese Tallow (Popcorn tree)
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2014, 02:29:25 PM »
and have no commercial value. 
Yet.  ;) ;D ;D

Chinese tallow is a major invasive plant that out-competes the native trees... 
You guys can keep the seedlings; I'll just take the logs.  ;) :)
No.  I would not wish them off on anyone or any location.  They are a very serious threat to us.
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Re: First cedar on the mill and a Chinese Tallow (Popcorn tree)
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2014, 06:00:12 PM »
They are a scourge. 
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Re: First cedar on the mill and a Chinese Tallow (Popcorn tree)
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2014, 10:54:19 PM »
WDH...we have the same problem here with Ailanthus and Siberian elm. They grow at an alarming rate and can easily displace what few native trees we have. I kill at least several hundred a year. The only upside is that they make fairly decent lumber.
I sympathize with you guys, but still can't get over how handsome that tallow is. , I'll be thinkin how to get me some popcorn logs.  ;) ;D
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Re: First cedar on the mill and a Chinese Tallow (Popcorn tree)
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2014, 08:31:24 AM »
I'll be thinkin how to get me some popcorn logs.
As many Tallow saplings that we have, I would have no idea where to get an actual log from.  What I see is maybe 2"-6". 
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« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2014, 07:29:59 PM »
I have seen them at 5,000 to the acre.  Pestilence. 
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Re: First cedar on the mill and a Chinese Tallow (Popcorn tree)
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2014, 08:40:37 PM »
They are a scourge.

The lumber looks VERY similiar to the Chinese Sumac or "Stinkin' Shumac" as it is not so affectionately called around here.

See above...  same statement applies   >:(   Invasive species is an understatement.
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