phoenix / goodwill rebuild

Andy White · November 03, 2014, 08:56:56 PM

Austin,
Looks like you have been taking advantage of the nice weather we've been having. The house is looking great. You will be in the dry before you know it. We are still planning to make another trip to give you some help, just working out the schedule. It looks like you have learned how to take small "bites" from that elephant. It will be gone soon!! Keep up and be safe. Andy

dablack · November 04, 2014, 08:33:53 AM

Thanks Lynn and Andy. We are really looking forward to it being in the dry.

I wanted to put the grace triflex (roof underlayment) on at the same time as my decking but it won't get here until the 10th. With all the rain we are supposed to get in the next couple of days, I might still be working on the frist row by then so it won't really hold me up. HA! By the time I got home last night, it was almost dark so I cleaned up all the tools and did a general clean up. I left the winch installed up in the rafters but with OSB nailed above it. It should do ok.

Andy,
We are looking forward to seeing you and Nancy again. I know you have lots going on, but do come up when you can. Have your boss text my boss and we will make it happen.

Austin

Austin

grweldon · November 04, 2014, 03:57:52 PM

Looks great! I remember how anxious I was to get my roof sheathing on and how good it felt when it was done!

Leigh Family Farm · November 05, 2014, 11:29:47 AM

This is awesome. What are barge rafters? Never heard that term before.

blade69001 · November 05, 2014, 12:26:42 PM

Quote from: kilgrosh on November 05, 2014, 11:29:47 AM
This is awesome. What are barge rafters? Never heard that term before.

Kilgrosh, Barge rafters are the outside edge rafter on a gable end of a structure. In the last pacture they are the 2x material running up the roofline outside the walls.
*DanG near lost a finger cutting in the out riggers for one back in the 80's

Sean P.

dablack · November 05, 2014, 01:38:49 PM

Thanks guys. I really appreciate it.

Kilgrosh,

Sean said it best. They basically extend the roof line out past the wall. The fun part is getting them where they go. With them being out past the end of the house, it makes it tough and requires some problem solving, doing it on your own. The great thing about this time is I had the truss guys build the gable end truss (last outside truss that is sheathed and has the window) 3.5" shorter than the other trusses. I did that so that the 2x4s that hold the barge rafter out past the edge of the house, go OVER the gable end truss and attach to the truss that is one inside the gable end truss. It is a much more secure conection. If this isn't clean I will try to find a better picture.

The last time I did this, I didn't have a 3.5" shorter gable truss, so I had to attach the barge rafter assy to the outside of the gable truss. I lifted the barge rafter up on the roof of the house with it upside down. Then I attached hinges between the barge rafter assy and gable truss. Then I just PUSHED! It flipped into place, right side up. I leaned over the gable end truss and nailed it into place. It was a little more complicated that what I'm saying but it worked!

More than one way to skin a cat.

PC-Urban-Sawyer · November 05, 2014, 05:08:23 PM

Quote from: dablack on November 05, 2014, 01:38:49 PM
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More than one way to skin a cat.

And the interesting thing is that the cat does not seem to enjoy any of them...

Herb

dablack · November 07, 2014, 09:12:42 AM

I'm going to be working on roof sheathing this weekend.

If anyone has some two story scaffolding or a long ladder that I could borrow, I would appreciate it. The roof eave is right at 18'. Even if it isn't available for this weekend, I could still use it for other stuff.

thanks
Austin

dablack · November 10, 2014, 08:44:21 AM

Spent Saturday building a ramp out of old pallets and four crooked 16' 2x4s. Also got my old burned up scaffolding back together and built a new platform for it. Got a couple of sheets on the roof using my winch but not many. Sunday Dennis ( Den-Den ) showed up and we got a ton done. From 9 to 4:30ish we got 3/4s of one side done and that was with a nice break for lunch. This week I will be building more spacers for between the trusses and hopefully finishing this side. Next week will be the other side.

Austin

dablack · November 21, 2014, 10:51:17 AM

Short update. Dennis came by Wednesday and we got the four full size OSB rows put up on the back of the roof. It went really well and the roof is really coming together. No pictures right now but I'm sure to have some after Thanksgiving.

I'm going to buy about half of the windows today. If it will stop raining, Sunday I'm going to finish the 10" wide OSB strip at the peak of the roof and then start putting on the paper. I have next week off so I will start putting in windows then. December should mostly be inside work. I'm ready to start on plumbing!

Magicman · November 21, 2014, 11:08:03 AM

Sounds good. I am planning on putting a crew together to hang the drywall when you get ready.

dablack · November 21, 2014, 04:07:26 PM

WHOOT! Can't wait to be to that point Lynn!

Funny story to go along with building during the winter. I usually wear myself out on the weekend but during the week I only get about an hour of work done and I'm still full of energy. So last week after an hour of work, I decided I needed to mow in the dark. There is a wooded area that I usually mow twice a year but this year I haven't done anything overthere because I've been so busy. The quick grow back sweetgums were already four feet tall so I figured I get get to it. The tractor has headlights but that area is pretty rough even with a tractor. I took it slow and get a bunch done. At one point, I was coming around for another pass and saw something in my headlights. I got a little closer and realized it was the wheel from the back of the brush hog. Opps! I was almost done so I just kept going. I was only doing the area visable from the driveway but at one point while going around some trees, I looked up and couldn't figure out where I was! I don't think I have ever gotten that feeling on my own land before. No moon! Pitch black and just the tractor headlights. Luckily the whole area is on a slope so I just went up hill. I popped out near the driveway 100 yards from where I thought I was. WEIRD! I've never been turned around like that.

dablack · November 30, 2014, 11:57:00 AM

Well, it was a good and bad week. I got most of the 2nd floor and attic windows installed but the man lift would barely reach the roof. I was able to put on the facia board on the front and back, but could only get two rows of synthetic felt on the front and one row on the back. Turns out I'm just not capable of getting out on the roof.
The last house roof pitch was 12/12 and I thought that was why I couldn't get out there. Nope, even with the new 8/12 pitch I just can't do it. Panic hits and I'm out of luck. Even tied off I feel like I'm about to fall. Tomorrow I'm going to call roofers to see about finishing the paper and getting the roofing done. Hiring roofers was NOT in the budget. Ha! Didn't see this coming. Oh well.

I will post some pictures tomorrow.

Austin

Andy White · November 30, 2014, 08:01:24 PM

Austin,
A good move on your part about hiring the roofers. That is the only thing we hired out when we built our house, because of my old knees.
I keep thinking about my high school physics class about terminal velocity and my fat self reaching it! They say it's not the fall, but the sudden stop that hurts. I'll never know. Great news that you will be in the dry soon. The inside work should go much better, as the weather won't be a factor. Be safe and post some updates for us. Keep up the good work.
Andy

dablack · December 01, 2014, 10:38:06 AM

Pics are going to have to wait for tomorrow. I just checked my phone and I don't have any good ones. The cold front just went through and it dropped from 66 to 49. Things got a little wet but I should be able to get a couple shots and a little work done after work today.

Austin

dablack · December 09, 2014, 07:02:09 PM

Well it looks like roofers are out of the picture for now. I met with one early last week. He gave me a good bid and then showed up and doubled it. Um..... no! The rest of the guys I have trouble getting them to show up to give me a price or they won't even call me back. I have found a place to get the material for $1000 less than I thought I was going to pay.

Like I said above, the rented man lift didn't reach as far as I was hoping so I'm back to putting on the paper myself. I still don't have the peak sheathed so I'm able to come down a rope from above. I get a little paper nailed on and then come inside, get my heart rate down and then come down again. I got a little done this past weekend. I'm hoping to finish up this coming weekend.

I'm stuck at home with a sinus infection so I finally have some time to post up a picture. The top two rows of paper are just attached along the top. Now that they are attached like that, I can stand on them and attach the rest of it. The back part of the roof only has the first row on.

beenthere · December 09, 2014, 07:24:56 PM

Is it cost prohibitive to rent scaffolding?

dablack · December 09, 2014, 08:38:54 PM

Beenthere,

If you look at the picture posted Nov 10th, under the ramp you can see my old scaffolding. They got burned in the fire but work fine. In fact I'm using that to install the windows on the west end of the house where the ground slopes away. If I buy one more level for that scaffolding it will get me up to the level of the facia board. That is how I'm planning to finish the peak of the roofing (climb up from the eave with the rope over the top of the house). I'm sure the 3rd level will also come in handy when it comes time to install the metal.

thanks
Austin

Leigh Family Farm · December 10, 2014, 09:14:35 AM

dablack,
I really wish I lived closer to you. Heights don't bother me and if you were able to shuttle the materials up to me, I'd install them for ya! I hope you find a solution soon so that you can start the insides.

dablack · December 10, 2014, 08:56:53 PM

I wish you lived closer too! Ha!

I think I will be able to finish the paper this weekend if it doesn't rain too much. It is synthetic paper and is rated for uv exposure. It will keep everything dry until I figure out what I'm going to do. I think if I put up some lathe that will help me install the roof even if I don't actually need it.

Austin

grweldon · December 11, 2014, 07:47:31 AM

I've researched all the types of roofing, installed asphalt shingles and roll roofing and also installed metal roofing. At 36" coverage per piece for the entire length of the slope, metal installs the easiest and is less labor intensive, is extremely durable, looks good and can be a color that will match your chosen decor. I will have some roofing to do in the future... I'm going with metal all the way.

Just a thought...

mmartone · December 11, 2014, 08:20:45 AM

I've done two tin roofs this year and a friend of mine and my house. His was a tear off, re nail, synthetic felt, insulation and tin, that tear off was a lot of work. On mine we just wnet over with the same synthetic tar paper, insulation and tin. I enjoyed it and it goes up fast except cutting valleys but you have none, yours would be up in no time. Good luck

dablack · December 11, 2014, 09:46:39 AM

mmartone and grweldon,

I'm for sure going with metal. There is a place 20 minutes away that supplies all the local roofers and rolls the sheets in house. I'm going with a tuff-panel galvalume. It should go really well with the colors we have picked out. I have some used 3/4" foam board that I really wanted to put up there as well. I'm hoping with the scaffolding, I can put the first layer of foam up and then the lathing. Work my way up from the eave. Once the foam and lathing is done, it will be like a ladder all over the roof. The metal should go up fast except for the last piece. The last piece will be rope work.

Here is a shot of a sketchup model I did.

woodworker9 · December 11, 2014, 02:14:49 PM

When I installed the metal roofing on my shop, it came in 39" wide sheets, with 3" overlap on the rib. I built a wooden 'ladder' that hung over the top of the peak, and tied a rope off to the other side of the building for extra strength and security. At the time, I was 6'2", 265 lbs., and no way I was staying up on that slope without some security and help. It ended up being a real nice system of going up and down the slope, and when I was finished with a sheet, I slid the contraction over just enough for the next piece, and got right back at it. I had both sides of the roof done in a day. I installed the ridge cap the next.

Cheers, and your project is looking great.

dablack · December 11, 2014, 02:35:50 PM

woodworker9,

I call your contraption, a chicken ladder and it sounds like a very good idea. It will be tied to the other side of the house and so will I. When I'm working on the peak, I will be tied to both sides of the house so I can't fall either way! HA! By then I should have my two lightning rods up so I will most likely be tied to them.....as long as their aren't clouds in the sky!

thanks
Austin