Muscle cramps

[Okrafarmer]

I may not be able to find the kind of help I need-- maybe because there seems to be so much random thought and little kind of proof about my condition.

I've always had a few muscle cramps now and then throughout my life. They seem to be most often in the summer, most often when I'm getting up in the morning, and they can sometimes be temporarily debilitating. Sometimes they can interrupt my work.

Earlier in my life, they were limited mainly to my legs and feet. In the last year or so, I've started getting them in my arms, hands, back, and abdomen at times, too. In the last couple weeks, they've been very disruptive. This morning when I got up, both quadriceps and one triceps cramped. It was twenty minutes before I could function. Yesterday, I was hammering on the sawmill and my arm and shoulder cramped up, interrupting my work significantly.

I can ask what causes this, and how can I stop it? But I have a feeling there will be many different ideas because it seems there are multiple ideas out there. Is it just part of regular human existence? Get used to it, get over it, quit being a crybaby? These things are massively painful and disruptive and I can imagine them being dangerous if one takes me at a critical moment while I'm driving or running equipment.   :(

[sawguy21]

Getting enough water? Dehydration will do that, I learned it the hard way.

[Windy_Acres]

Simple things first, are you running a magnesium deficiency ? IIRC there are other vitamins you need to convert the magnesium too. Do some reading on magnesium, if youre not getting it in your diet, you may need to take a supplement.

You can take the supplement for week or two, and if thats the problem, you will start to see a difference. One caveat, may make you go #2 more frequently.

Id call that the low hanging fruit before spending money on other things, if youre looking for relief.

Good luck !

[thecfarm]

I have that once in a while,but never through the day. Sometimes in the night I am woken up by cramps,but only once a month. Than I hobble around the house for 10-15 minutes trying to get rid of the cramp.
Must be lots and lots of solutions on the internet. BUT you have to find one that works. My diet is not the best. I do try to have a banana a day. And as stated lots and lots of water. Water works for me,but there again you may need to add something to the water to suit it to your body needs. And I am in Maine,you lived here,temps are diffeant than SC. We have just gone through a few days of warm weather. I was drinking alot of water. But not really enough. I only went to the bathroom about twice in 6 hours. Fluids are very important when working. Don't say.I'll get a drink in a minute,than that minute turn into 15.
Those cramps are no fun. No one should have to get use to them. I'm a big crybaby at 2am too.

[LeeB]

I would really recomend you see a doctor about this. There are so many things that can cause it and some of them can be quite serious.

[Okrafarmer]

Yeah, if I don't get some relief I will go to the doc. Took magnesium pills starting yesterday-- no cramps so far today. I haven't got out and worked yet either, staying home with kids until my wife gets back from shopping.  :-\

[Larry]

I've had leg cramps my entire life.  Almost always come at night or early morning following a day of strenuous activity.  I just put up with them thinking they were a normal part of my life.  About five years ago they began to be more severe.  A leg would cramp and stay that way for twenty minutes.  Sometimes the other leg would cramp.  The muscles were so tight that my leg would hurt for a day or two.

I've asked Doctors about it over the years and about all they could recommend was eating bananas.  The Doctor I have now is an old guy and said quinine would cure cramps.  Doc said he could write a prescription but unfortunately quinine has become expensive, because of regulation.  He suggested I try an over the counter potassium pill at night.  That really helped.  I still get leg cramps but they are not as frequent and never as severe as they used to be.  Give the potassium a try.

[Jeff]

I've had the same problems and Banana's and remembering to drink plenty of water a day when it is warm or I am very active has helped a lot.

[Windy_Acres]

I replied to this thread, because for 20 years I would get charley horses while in bed. Once I got my supplements lined out, Ive never had another charley since. My TMJ also "went away" as a bonus when I started on magnesium, something I didnt expect.

It appears to be a trio of supplements, if its not a medical problem, the combo of Potassium, magnesium and calcium.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/muscle-cramp/basics/definition/con-20014594

Definition

By Mayo Clinic Staff

A muscle cramp is a sudden and involuntary contraction of one or more of your muscles. If you've ever been awakened in the night or stopped in your tracks by a sudden charley horse, you know that muscle cramps can cause excruciating pain. Though generally harmless, muscle cramps can make it temporarily impossible to use the affected muscle.

Long periods of exercise or physical labor, particularly in hot weather, may lead to muscle cramps. Some medications and certain medical conditions also may cause muscle cramps. You can usually treat muscle cramps at home with self-care measures.

Causes

By Mayo Clinic Staff

Overuse of a muscle, dehydration, muscle strain or simply holding a position for a prolonged period of time may result in a muscle cramp. In many cases, however, the exact cause of a muscle cramp isn't known.

Although most muscle cramps are harmless, some may be related to an underlying medical condition, such as:

    Inadequate blood supply. Narrowing of the arteries that deliver blood to your legs (arteriosclerosis of the extremities) can produce cramp-like pain in your legs and feet while you're exercising. These cramps usually go away soon after you stop exercising.
   
Nerve compression. Compression of nerves in your spine (lumbar stenosis) also can produce cramp-like pain in your legs. The pain usually worsens the longer you walk. Walking in a slightly flexed position — such as you would employ when pushing a shopping cart ahead of you — may improve or delay the onset of your symptoms.

Mineral depletion. Too little potassium, calcium or magnesium in your diet can contribute to leg cramps. Diuretics — medications often prescribed for high blood pressure — may also deplete these minerals.

[gfadvm]

12 ounces of Tonic Water will stop muscle cramps within minutes! It is an acquired taste and I like leaving mine uncapped in the fridge so it can go flat. It is the quinine in Tonic Water that stops the cramping according to an MD client of mine.

[luvmexfood]

12 ounces of Tonic Water will stop muscle cramps within minutes! It is an acquired taste and I like leaving mine uncapped in the fridge so it can go flat. It is the quinine in Tonic Water that stops the cramping according to an MD client of mine.

Have also heard this from a couple different sources. Cheap something to try. I suffer sometimes from more of an ache in my legs when I go to bed. Usually a potassium supplement or eating foods rich in potassium will knock it out.

[Okrafarmer]

I started a magnesium supplement yesterday and today I had no cramps. May not be why, but it's encouraging.

[Windy_Acres]

Keep us posted as to any progress. According to the "keeper of knowledge" (she sits behind me on another computer  ;D), if you're levels are low enough, it can have an noticeable effect overnight, so what your experiencing is not unusual, if in fact your low on Mag.

[Magicman]

Don't forget that banana.

[Okrafarmer]

Keep us posted as to any progress. According to the "keeper of knowledge" (she sits behind me on another computer  ;D), if you're levels are low enough, it can have an noticeable effect overnight, so what your experiencing is not unusual, if in fact your low on Mag.

4th day, no cramps. Thanks. By now I should know better. Funny how these things creep up on you and you think they're new. I also was able to work in the heat for a greater part of the day today than I was previously. Not as hot as it had been, but I only just broke a sweat compared to sweating buckets last week. Not sure if it has anything to do with the magnesium, but it went a lot better today.

[red]

I had good results with compression garmets some athleates wear them on the field also good for arthritis or ms

[Windy_Acres]

Keep us posted as to any progress. According to the "keeper of knowledge" (she sits behind me on another computer  ;D), if you're levels are low enough, it can have an noticeable effect overnight, so what your experiencing is not unusual, if in fact your low on Mag.

4th day, no cramps. Thanks. By now I should know better. Funny how these things creep up on you and you think they're new. I also was able to work in the heat for a greater part of the day today than I was previously. Not as hot as it had been, but I only just broke a sweat compared to sweating buckets last week. Not sure if it has anything to do with the magnesium, but it went a lot better today.

Your welcome, you can be tested for all your minerals by an MD (blood draw/panel) Ive had one done. I would also throw some potassium in there and maybe even some calcium just for good measure.

The "keeper of knowledge" also stated that a hot bath with Epsom salts added will get more magnesium in your body faster than taking it orally. Your skin absorbs it, food for thought you and anyone reading this.

What your gong through is pretty common, in that just about everyone is short on something causing them some kind of problem, few ever know why. The better half has studied the subject, right down to micro nutrients and its relationship the dna code. (different ethnicities are predisposed to certain problems)

Most of what she studies is Euro, and eastern medicine, our western medicine, is symptom/prescription drug remedied, only masking the problem and usually causing a handful of other problems. The Europeans and most of the rest of the world, is into fixing the problem, not masking it with toxic substances to hide the symptoms. One of the reasons, Im not to hot on seeing western educated MDs. There not happy if they are not prescribing something.

I do see a cardiologist that does not prescribe meds unless totally necessary, she heals through diet and supplements first. She is board certified and western educated, she just smarter than the rest, and very good !

Only real reason Im semi-familiar with this stuff.

[thecfarm]

That is good news.

[LeeB]

Glad to hear you are better. I would still urge you to at least get some blood testing done.

[red oaks lumber]

i eat 2 bananas each day, along with 2 bigg glasses of milk each day. on really sweatie days i'll put some salt in my palm and lick it up to help replace the salt that gets sweated out.

[clww]

I have the wife getting me some magnesium supplement now at the drug store. The past two days I've had cramps like never before. No caffeine at work, 32 ounces of gatorade or water every hour, three bananas daily, breakfast and lunch, pace myself, etc. It's been in the mid-90s, but I've worked in the heat before. :D Hopefully, these will help me.

[Okrafarmer]

The magnesium supplement I'm taking also has calcium.

[clww]

I think I'm good on my calcium intake. I drink two gallons of milk every week.

[Mooseherder]

Holy COW!  (old saying)

[clww]

 :D :D :D


Took two pills yesterday evening around 6 pm, and one this morning at 5 am. It was hotter today (heat index of 102), and I cut more trees, too. Starting with the drive to work, I drank five Gatorades (32 ounce), and at least that much water in nine hours-same as yesterday. ZERO MUSCLE CRAMPS!!!
I am beyond ecstatic! 8) 8) 8)

Tomorrow will be the real test, as we are taking down five oaks, ranging from 48" DBH to 92" DBH. 

[Windy_Acres]

I have the wife getting me some magnesium supplement now at the drug store. The past two days I've had cramps like never before. No caffeine at work, 32 ounces of gatorade or water every hour, three bananas daily, breakfast and lunch, pace myself, etc. It's been in the mid-90s, but I've worked in the heat before. :D Hopefully, these will help me.

The keeper of knowledge just shared with me, that enough potassium intake, can actually deplete magnesium in your system. So the sports drink alone, while its helping on one side, its tearing down the other.

[Gadrock]

I too have problems with muscle cramping. Since I am around a lot of blacksmithing and striking  I get hot. This past weekend was great for demonstrations but I felt myself going down. A doctor type fellow was quite concerned and came by to check on me. I explained that the supp. Phosphorus I take in pill form requires about 5 or 6 to equal one banana. Some peeps get alarmed to see someone take a few tablet at one time until they find out how little medicine is in those caplets! Generally the supp phos works but pickle juice will stop a cramp in seconds! SO will a small packet of mustard...like you put on the hotdogs from those squeeze packs.

    I have not heard about the mag supp so I will be trying it out too. Here in Mississippi it has been rather warm lately and I have been totally wet from sweat every day. Peeing reductions show that more fluid is going out the skin than the bladder. And I just had a blood workup this week to make sure nothing else was happening.

   SO now I have something else to quirk about other than scheduling the knee replacement. Where is the time?

David G

Carry on

[Okrafarmer]

Pickle juice or mustard? Can I have some more choices?????  >:( :-[ :-\ ;D :( :'( :embarassed:

[luvmexfood]

Read this about epson salt and how it helps replinish magnesium when you bathe in it. Sounds like snake oil if it does all they say it will. http://www.saltworks.us/salt_info/epsom-uses-benefits.asp

One time at a training seminar had a instructor tell the class his knees were bad from jumping out of helicopters in the army. Said only relief he could get was to rub WD 40 on his knees. I wanted to call B/S and tell him he was dumber than a coal bucket but he was paying for dinner.

[red]

Apple Cidger Vinegar is good for just about everything too

[luvmexfood]

Always heard the body will crave what it needs. Have been on a low sodium diet due to BP. Last night opened the fridge and saw some dill pickle slices (high sodium) craved them so ate about 5 with a swig of the juice.

[Windy_Acres]

Im not sure what the rules on posting links is ( I got in trouble in the past, and was told to read the rules, but I have yet to locate them, but this is too much to post here). This is well written in laymen's terms, if youre having cramps, this is probably worth your time to read, FWIW.

http://www.mg12.info/articles/cramps.html

[Dave Shepard]

At the bottom of every page is a link to the rules.

[Windy_Acres]

At the bottom of every page is a link to the rules.

I see that now, thank you, it really "sticks out", and is hiding in plain sight. Guess I will have to go have a read.

[Gadrock]

Shame on me!
    I quoted using phosphorus instead of potassium. I was thinking about those bags of ferterlizer I had just unloaded. And to think I m supposed to be an educated man....Ha.

    But pickle juice and mustard ...along with potassium...are known to releive muscle cramps. Other things may help too.

David G

carry on

[beenthere]

One time at a training seminar had a instructor tell the class his knees were bad from jumping out of helicopters in the army. Said only relief he could get was to rub WD 40 on his knees. I wanted to call B/S and tell him he was dumber than a coal bucket but he was paying for dinner.

It may have been DMSO, a by-product of making paper. At once touted as an arthritic pain reliever, and now is discussed as a carrier for cancer treatments.
DMSO

[luvmexfood]

Nope. He definetly said WD 40 cause I wondered about the smell.

[LeeB]

WD40 has DMSO in it. DMSO is a very small particled solvent and penetrates cell walls. It does relieve joint pain. Can't remember why it does. Bad thing about using WD40 is all the other stuff that the DMSO carries in with it. The fact that it can penetrate into cells is probably why it is being considered as a transporter for cancer drugs.

[Okrafarmer]

I don't think I would want to use WD-40 if it penetrates cell walls and has all this other stuff in it too-- an industrial product never intended for human consumption or absorbtion. But if you could get the DMSO in some better form. . . .

[LeeB]

Used to be able to get it at the feed store. Don't know if you can any more.

[LeeB]

Just looked it up. You can get it online for $8 a pint. Should be able to get it at the feed store still.

[beenthere]

I understand it comes in several industrial cleaners... but don't know that for certain.

Google DMSO and many hits come up, of creams, gels, and other forms.

[LeeB]

http://www.statelinetack.com/item/dmso/SLT181090/?srccode=ADSP20N&kwid=744186c40f5740398ec2aee461cea859&gclid=CPat8Ynhvb8CFWXLtAodJXQA5w

This one says it's 99%. It lists liquid, gel and roll on.

[Don_Papenburg]

Calcium,magnesium,potassium,selenium,and/or vitamin E deficiencies could cause the cramps

[Larry]

I went to the Doctor middle of July for a routine checkup.  I asked him to do a blood work up to check all my levels for anything that might cause cramps.  Everything came back in the medium to medium high range except for potassium.  It came back in the high range and I was expecting that as I'm taking a supplement to help with cramps.  It does seem to provide some small relief.

At that time I started to take magnesium because you guys were posting such good results.  This week I quit taking it because it didn't help my cramps at all.

At this point, I think I'm in the group that nobody knows why we get them.  Guess I'll grin and bear it.

[LeeB]

age:66  :D

[customsawyer]

I drink a V-8 juice every day. If I get hit with cramps in the middle of the night a V-8 will help kick it out.

[Onthesauk]

Few years ago I ended up in ER with chest pains in the middle of the night that wouldn't let up.  Ended up being a cramp, lack of potassium.  Take one pill, morning and evening and haven't had the problem since.

[Ron Wenrich]

I've had cramps for the past 40 years.   The worst one I had one night that actually gave me a black and blue mark.  I have had them in my hands, arms, legs, feet, chest and about any other spot. 

I've tried all the supplements, but the best supplement I have found is water.  For me, I have to drink a lot of water to keep the cramping at bay.  If I'm getting cramps, its usually from dehydration. 

Another thing that has helped me is going to a physical therapist.  My guy uses acupressure where he finds points that the muscle is in spasm.  You would be surprised how many they can find.  He works them out and that seems to help.  I go about once a month. 

[Chuck White]

I get cramps in my calf muscles and feet all too often.

I've got to find out if there would be an issue with potasium causing problems with any of my regular meds!

[gfadvm]

I keep tellin y'all that 12 ounces of Tonic water will prevent or stop my muscle cramps right now.

A

[beenthere]

Good friend of mine said for years he had to have a bottle of tonic water a day or he'd get cramps.

Not sure it is right to do, but worked for him.

Here is some info.
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/04/quinine-for-night-time-leg-cramps-no-longer-recommended/index.htm

But if it works, what the hey.  ;)

[gfadvm]

Good friend of mine said for years he had to have a bottle of tonic water a day or he'd get cramps.

Not sure it is right to do, but worked for him.

Here is some info.
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/04/quinine-for-night-time-leg-cramps-no-longer-recommended/index.htm

But if it works, what the hey.  ;)

Thanks for that link but those prescription dosages are WAY higher than a 12 oz. bottle of Tonic Water

[hardtailjohn]

Larry, I know just what you're talking about. Been there and done that.  I drink alot of Gatorade and that usually helps alot..... but I was still having them. Like Windy Acres said, the Western Dr's like to just treat the symptoms... I wasn't having any luck with that routine.... I found another Dr. and he did some tests and told me I was allergic to pork.    I quit eating pork and am happy to announce that it stopped all that muscle cramping!  I can take a taste of pork and the next day I'll be hurting like mad...but if I behave myself, I'm fine.  Since discovering this, I've met a few other people that are the same way.
Your mileage may vary....
John

[LeeB]

The cramps would have to be awful bad for me to completely give up pork. Is it any pork, or just cured pork?

[SwampDonkey]

Dates are also high in potassium as well. Buckwheat is high in magnesium.  Buckwheat cotains chiro-inositol which helps increase cells sensitivity to insulin which leads to better blood sugar regulation. Buckwheat is high in the lignan enterolactone which has been shown to protect against breast and other hormone driven cancers. Good for eye health as well as they contain leutin and zeaxanthin.

This info taken from web sites and product labels.

[gullydweller]

Your muscles contract and relax through the use of inter cellular pumps called sodium and potassium pumps.  When you deplete yourself of either of these your muscles can not contract and relax properly resulting in muscle spasms and cramps.  If you are working hard in the heat and sweating a lot and only drinking water you will basically dilute your blood of these minerals.  It is called hyponutriemia (probably spelled wrong). 

I run ultra marathons and run into this problem often. Plenty to drink at aid stations but not enough salts to replace the ones I sweat out.  Therefore every drink of water I take only dilutes me more.  I now carry salt tabs as well as a small shaker of salt on every race over 30 km and don't have much problem with cramps any more.

So on those hot "bucket sweating days" drink fluids like Gatorade that help replace salts, and have a salty lunch.  For breakfast and dinner have a glass of milk and a banana, and shake a little extra salt on your well deserved steak.  Not everyday but on the days you really sweat it out!
 

[Magicman]

Last month, we had a high school football player who died after collapsing during practice.  He had drank too much water without enough electrolytes.

[samandothers]

I think I like the idea of Epson salt in hot bath, 12 oz of tonic......maybe some gin to help it go down! 8)

[hardtailjohn]

The cramps would have to be awful bad for me to completely give up pork. Is it any pork, or just cured pork?

Lee, they really were bad! I LOVED pork!!  My mouth still waters at the thought of a cold ham sandwich.
It's any pork for me... just can't have it. I can tell in a few hours and the next day I'm miserable!  Sometimes it feels like someone's got a knife through my arms..... just isn't worth it.  Until this happened, I never realized what all pork is included in!!!
JH

[LeeB]

Sorry to hear that for you. I know I have withdrawals just giving it up for a month at a time while I'm at work.

[Okrafarmer]

Maybe my muscle cramps are a result of being deprived of Moxie.

[red oaks lumber]

you might want to look at the definition closer okra

[Chuck White]

My doctor suggested Calcium & Magnesium!

So, I guess I'll give it a try.

I never had problems with leg cramps in the past, wonder if it's related to me walking for each one of the boards I sawed this summer!  ;)

[SwampDonkey]

Been taking Centrum, the one formulated for muscles, and no trouble in my calves since. Also eating my banana, but always have eaten one anyway. ;D

[Windy_Acres]

Ive got a couple unique health problems, that are more or less a result of lousy DNA. Thanks Dad !

Anyway, I get, pretty regular, and expensive blood work panels done, ordered by a doctor that specializes in health problems and nutrition. The blood tests look at whats in my blood as far as minerals, and hormones. I had cardio problems, until I got my body/dna specific diet straightened out. I lost 30 pounds as a result and never "dieted" it just fell off, and needed to go anyway. Lots of other little health problems disappeared simultaneously.

Long and short of it, Ive learned from the Dr., just about everyone, has an imbalance of minerals/vitamins in their system. In some folks it manifests its self in many ways, others, it does not show any signs for years or even decades, until you wake up one day and find out you have "x" number of "x" to live, because you body has been bankrupt of this or that for a myriad of reasons. Can be DNA, can be environment, can be both.

The leg cramps is just one of them things. Can be one of at least 3 minerals, commonly anyway.

So are most skin afflictions (Dermatologists, most anyway will either never admit, or are simply unaware). Most arthritis, thyroid problems, colon problems, you name it, short of being bad DNA, or an actual virus, you can trace it back to diet or environment. I know cardiologist that makes the same claim, diet specific to ones body, not a general diet, can either put cardio disease into action, or keep it completely at bay She says 99% of westerners with Cardio diesease could be prevented with diet, only 1% are screwed via the DNA, hard to fathom, no ? Another little fact that most Cardiologists' wont admit too, or not aware, same goes for Cancer and Oncologists.

You eating the right diet for your body/dna, does not provide them with an income, so its not really practiced or preached.

2 weeks ago, I was seeing a regular Dr. of mine, we had this conversation, after he mentioned he was learning from me. I followed that up with a What ?

To which he replied, "we dont learn everything we need to know in med school". Which left me thinking, "well that is not very comforting, considering what Im paying you !!! I dont have insurance, and he AINT cheap. But he's learning from me, scary man, just scary !

And Im only seeing the Dr, who is unscrewing a mess another MD left me in !!!!! Yes, as a whole, I have  pretty low opinion of Drs', at this point, I think Id rather take my chances with a Veterinary.

Food for thought, no pun intended. Dont believe anything a MD tells you, research it for yourself.


Edit, let me throw this out there, your body is like youre saw, take really good care of it, and it will last, run it lean, hot, hard and dull and see what happens.

[Larry]

Update:

My leg cramps always come during the early morning hours and I've had them  nearly my entire life on a intermittent basis.

Potassium reduced the severity/frequency of the cramps.  Magnesium was of no help.  According to my last blood test I'm in the normal to normal/high range on minerals.

I've tried all the supplements, but the best supplement I have found is water.  For me, I have to drink a lot of water to keep the cramping at bay.  If I'm getting cramps, its usually from dehydration. 

This was the first I've heard of drinking water but I decided to give it a shot.  Started drinking a 12 ounce glass of water 10-17 and every day since right before bed.  As of today,11-16-14 I have not had one leg cramp.  After two weeks I discontinued the potassium.

Water seems to be the cure for me.  I'll update this thread again if conditions change.

[elk42]

Larry
Water works for me also and bottled water with 1 t spoon sugar, 1 t salt and little
lemon juice. 

[Nate379]

Last couple weeks was bothering me real bad.  I started drinking more (water!) and also taking a multivitamin and that has seemed to help out.

[Okrafarmer]

You know, when I was in ag school, in crops class, they taught us a similar thing about crops. Any plant needs a variety of inputs and conditions-- Water, CO₂, Sunlight, Nitrogen, Potassium, Phosphorus, proper soil PH, trace minerals, soil consistency, etc.

They showed us a drawing of a wooden barrel with staves, and on each stave, the name of one of these plant needs was written. They showed that if any one of the staves was broken off shorter than the others, the water in the barrel (picturing plant health) would run out at the lowest point. It didn't matter if the plant had enough water, enough sunlight, enough nitrogen, enough potassium-- if the phosphorus level was too low, the plant would only thrive up to the level of the broken off phosphorus stave of the barrel. The same was true for any other input. The level of plant health was only equal to the level of the lowest critical input.

Similar things are no doubt true for our body.

[Nate379]

Maybe my muscle cramps are a result of being deprived of Moxie.

Every time I visit Maine I "smuggle" a few bottles back to AK.  That and red hot dogs.  I fill up on Mom 's chicken stew too, probably eat 3-4 gallons of it!

[Okrafarmer]

Maybe my muscle cramps are a result of being deprived of Moxie.

Every time I visit Maine I "smuggle" a few bottles back to AK.  That and red hot dogs.  I fill up on Mom 's chicken stew too, probably eat 3-4 gallons of it!

Yep, I hear ya.  ;D