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Re: small skidder---which one to buy ?
« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2020, 10:01:30 PM »
You wont regret it.  I dont even set the brake when winching. 



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Re: small skidder---which one to buy ?
« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2020, 10:34:25 PM »
That is an impressive little machine for sure.  The winch has some serious giddy up go! 
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Re: small skidder---which one to buy ?
« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2020, 10:48:41 PM »
I'm not going to knock the 440s, I started with one and still have one, but most of the ones still kicking around are thrashed, parts can be odd, I wouldn't take another 3325 machine if it was given to me. A couple bucks more and you can buy a touch bigger machine which does 2x the job and honestly, the foot print isnt any bigger with a skilled operator. I've been hunting another cable skidder for a spare, looked at 1x 640D in Fort Ann a few weeks ago, found 3x other nice ones in the northeast. Theres a real nice 640D with 23.1 rubber in western NY for 28k, do all the work you want, not as tippy, not the same winch drama. Forester considered my 460 a "small" machine after that job got hammered by 632E tigercats 😆 I move a 640L for another guy regularly, you want to see Deeres smallest machine now 😆 that 240C in Schenevus is a nice machine, the guy had 3x of them, again modern parts, better winch, no detroit. 

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« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2020, 07:17:38 AM »
I am also looking to buy a small skidded in the coming months. I am located in Australia, there is very little for sale here at present. Ive been reading up quite a bit about the pros and cons of various models. There is a JD440 coming up locally however as Im heading into to very steep country I would prefer a TJ preferably an older one with the ford motor or one that has had the GM swapped out as Im not sure I want to listen to that thing. Would also look at other brands, maybe a Clark or something else. I am located on the qld / nsw border region.

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« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2020, 10:24:57 AM »
There is a TJ 209, iirc. That has a Perkins 4.236.  in Europe, plenty of Deutz swapped ones too. Noisewise, it is not that much of an improvement.  
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« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2020, 04:44:20 PM »
Thanks Satamax, maybe I should give a Gm a go, Im good at repairing 4 stroke type diesels, just never been near a 2 stroke so its new ground for me.

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« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2020, 09:12:14 PM »
My short encounter with a 6-71, makes me think I wouldn't like one in a skidder. They overheat at low rev. Guzzle diesel,  repairs to the blower can be costly.  For the rest, they are easy to work on. 
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« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2020, 01:07:31 AM »
My experience with the 3-53 Detroit that is in many, many small cable skidders is that they are REALLY LOUD, really easy on fuel, and have decent power.
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« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2020, 02:20:04 AM »
Nothing wrong with a detroit, honestly they are a good engine, parts are still around. Just make sure you slam your hand in the door so your in the right mood to run it 😆 

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« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2020, 05:40:51 AM »
My big forktruck has a 353 that has been great.  Ive done nothing but change oil and hardly ever add fuel.  But it pretty much needs to see 3/4 throttle to get out of bed.  Theres no quieting one down.  You muffle yourself, not it. 
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« Reply #30 on: August 14, 2020, 06:21:02 AM »
Yeah ok. Thanks for the input fellas. I can live with muffling myself, done plenty of work where I had the earplugs plus the ear muffs. Carbon arc gouging and 9 inch high cycle grinder as a welder so the idea of making a lot of noise in the mountains is growing on me. Its fairly remote country so its not going to bother anyone. Ive done logging previously with dozer and wheel tractors but I have not had a skidder. For the interim while Im looking for a good skidder I am setting up an old model Zetor tractor that has front wheel assist, 70hp with front blade, Im setting up a big old 40,000 pound pto drive winch on the 3 pl with a butt blade and a draw bar pull wheeled logging arch. The winch is very slow 50feet per minute, the zetor has ground speed PTO so Im hoping I can use the tractor gears while in neutral on the high low lever to create several speeds for the winch with the higher gears giving a higher winch speed. Just got the speeds idea yesterday so havent tried it yet.

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« Reply #31 on: August 14, 2020, 06:24:41 AM »
BargeMonkey, I did get a good laugh with the slam your hand in the door. :D

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« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2020, 07:09:50 AM »
Would love to see some fab pics.  


I thought ground speed pto only moved if the tires moved?   Great for making a tractor into a forwarder.  

Am i wrong?
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« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2020, 07:40:58 AM »
Nothing wrong with a detroit, honestly they are a good engine, parts are still around. Just make sure you slam your hand in the door so your in the right mood to run it 😆
Kind of like banging your head against the wall..... It feels so good when you stop. ;D
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« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2020, 10:22:33 AM »
Those Detroit's are load, I can here one 3 miles from my house. Looking for a smaller machine than 7 ton (440C) so I can haul myself. I see a TJ 207D but can not find weight of it? Other ideas?

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« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2020, 01:38:38 PM »
I read before how in the Canadian maritime provinces the ground speed pto tractors were pretty popular for building kind of a forwarder. They'd build a trailer they called a power trailer with a truck rear end and power it with the pto, put a log loader on it and you got yourself a forwarder.
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« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2020, 03:19:46 PM »
Lot of old european homemade forwarders built that way too.  They have shows and get togethers of them, like a forestry parade.
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« Reply #37 on: August 15, 2020, 04:20:44 AM »
Mike, the ground drive pto can be active utilising the gears while the tractor is stationary by putting the high / low range gear in neutral. Ive used it a few times where I need to get the pto in the reverse direction. There is an old caterpillar D2 on the farm and the pony motor is not running so I put a pot shaft between the Zetor and the cat , run the pto in ground drive reverse with high / low range in neutral , works very well, let the cat main engine warm up just as you would with the pony motor, when the exhaust manifold is warm then give the old girl some fuel on the throttle and theres always a very healthy grunt to follow and the cat is running, through the pony clutch and then shut down the zetor.  Always a bit of a nuisance if you happen to stall the cat while working it though.
You made me think for a day, I was nearly going out to run a trial but its a cold day and the wife , kids and myself have a head cold so not much got done and then I remembered how it works.

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« Reply #38 on: August 15, 2020, 12:15:15 PM »
Wow neat..  

So the zetor can have the same shaft turn at rear diff speed and direction.. And also be selected to run as a regular pto?  Is it a 540/1000 or just a whatever it is off the countershaft sort of speed?  And the pto has a reverser? 

This is sounding too good to be true.
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« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2020, 12:48:51 PM »
Well yes it does have 540  / 1000 however the ground speed is a seperate selector. The reverse is achieved by selecting reverse gear. I have never tried it in the other forward gears except 1st forward however i will give it a try over the next few weeks just to be sure. I bought a little electronic rev counter a few days ago and so as soon as I can get a few spare hours Ill try the other gears while stationary and count the PTO actual speeds. 


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