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Which Computer Setworks to Buy?
« on: August 30, 2014, 07:23:26 PM »
I have a fully portable factory built portable horizontal thin-kerf band sawmill. The brand does not matter, because I am looking for computer setworks for this mill. I need a computer setworks that has memory recall for 2 faces, so that when you flip to the opposite face, you can saw to the last board if needed, and this is for grade sawing.
A lot of setworks only give you several board thicknesses and also will allow you to saw down to a timber, tie or various cant sizes. All that is great, unless you want to peel a log down like an onion by sawing and turning the log on all 4-faces to get the highest $$$-return from each log. I know there are some aftermarket companies that have this and perhaps a some mill manufacturers have this available??? I would appreciate any information any Forestry Forum Member could give me!!! Thanks and God Bless!

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Re: Which Computer Setworks to Buy?
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2014, 08:25:06 PM »
I've never heard of aftermarket setworks for the portable mills. The Accuset2 on my WM allows me to have 16 presets that are easily adjusted. Today, I was making 1"x8" boards, so I had one set that was 1" all the way down, and another that would take 1" boards and stop at 8". Unfortunately, I don't think WM would want to support that on a non-WM mill. Good luck, let us know if you find something.  :)
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Re: Which Computer Setworks to Buy?
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2014, 08:53:04 PM »
Thanks for your reply. I know there are companies that do sell aftermarket setworks, as I have seen their ads in American Lumber and Pallet in the past. One company was from Indiana I think?
I will keep keep looking and if I find a company that has one I need and I buy it, I will do a new post to let everyone know. I want to find one that has 2-face memory recall for grade sawing my logs. I am going to do a Google Search also and I appreciate any information that any Forestry Forum Member can give me. Thanks and God Bless!

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Re: Which Computer Setworks to Buy?
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2014, 08:58:33 PM »
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I know there are some aftermarket companies that have this

Would be interested to hear which companies. 
Information gathering and then executing the saw set position that the computer spits out would be a big step.

We have some members who are pretty knowledgeable with numerical control and they may have some ideas how to go about this.
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Re: Which Computer Setworks to Buy?
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2014, 08:43:32 AM »
You might try Thomas Industrial controls. I was looking for an aftermarket setworks and had a few other mill owners recommend them. I don't know if they offer the "two face recall" feature that you want (off the shelf) but they may be able to program it for you if they don't. The comments about their setworks that I got was that they were "bulletproof and reasonably priced". I did not buy one of their setworks but will be buying one when I retire and get a lot more serious about milling.

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Re: Which Computer Setworks to Buy?
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2014, 07:56:19 PM »
The type of mill may well be important as the setworks "Newness" "Sherman" "Coe" and others sell use scanners to give readings to the computer and Temo cylindars to exicute the moves. If your mill was not build with these features retro fitting can be costly.
Unfortunatly a lot of the proven industral tecnology that is build for indoor stationary use is slow to trickle down to the portable mills.
For a system to remember where it was it would first have to know where it was, how do you plan to comunicate with the system?
Cooks makes a simple setworks that may be retrofitted to another mill but it is a simple setworks that does not remember faces.
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Re: Which Computer Setworks to Buy?
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2014, 09:06:06 PM »
You might try Thomas Industrial controls. I was looking for an aftermarket setworks and had a few other mill owners recommend them. I don't know if they offer the "two face recall" feature that you want (off the shelf) but they may be able to program it for you if they don't. The comments about their setworks that I got was that they were "bulletproof and reasonably priced". I did not buy one of their setworks but will be buying one when I retire and get a lot more serious about milling.

I was going to make the same recommendation.  I too have heard good things about Thomas.

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Re: Which Computer Setworks to Buy?
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2017, 10:11:20 PM »
My company (Automation Supply & Engineering, Inc.) makes a PLC based setwork controller that works for both vertical and horizontal mills. It has 6 gotos, 6 stacks, 6 cuts, 2 recalls. We made these controllers for the late Sawmill Systems. Harold, the owner, passed on several years ago.
We were recently asked to update the controls and provide them to his legacy customers. If you'd like more information, we'd be happy to send you instruction manuals, etc. My email is ken@automationse.com. Have a great Thanksgiving.
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Re: Which Computer Setworks to Buy?
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2017, 03:36:39 AM »
 Off-the-wall question: could the  just mentioned system be made to work with the Peterson WPF, a swing blade miil?  Mine has the electric height adjustment.

With a few experiences over the years, I have come to be very cautious about non-OEM retrofits.   Depending on the money and perceived complexity involved, proceed with appropriate caution.  Even some  factory integrated setworks required a lot of shake down, as evidenced by threads on this forum.   Norwood made a quiet announcement about a setworks package for their machines many months ago, and they have still not put it out in the wild.   The salesman told me there were issues not yet solved when he and I last talked back in the summer.

 When Norwood does make its package available, it will likely be modular like their other accessories. Perhaps it could be more easily adapted since it's designed  from the get go to be an add on, if they follow prior practice.  I just hope they don't put a price tag on it commensurate with the $3000 price tag they put on their debarker.   Bad choice on their part, at the same time that wood-mizer was cutting the price on theirs.

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Re: Which Computer Setworks to Buy?
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2017, 07:03:33 AM »
There is a lot of cheap digital readout single axis units for sell
under $100.00 out there.


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Re: Which Computer Setworks to Buy?
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2017, 08:49:41 AM »
Kbeitz and others, it would help if you used the "Insert Hyperlink" tool above to add links.  Click on it and add the necessary information:

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Re: Which Computer Setworks to Buy?
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2017, 09:02:47 AM »
Kbeitz and others, it would help if you used the "Insert Hyperlink" tool above to add links.  Click on it and add the necessary information:

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Thanks ...
I tried three times and I could not get it to work so I just deleted the link.
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Re: Which Computer Setworks to Buy?
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2017, 09:17:41 AM »
It takes a bit of practice and the Preview button is your friend.  If everything is not exactly right it will not work because the computer, etc. does exactly what you tell it to do. 

Long links make the pages stretch out horizontally and cumbersome to read.   :-\
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