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Re: CUT THE CRAP: Pine!
« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2020, 11:30:49 AM »
https://qualityfarmsupply.com/    search  picksmart    is where i just ordered from.  Apears to be best price with shipping.   4 gallon min.   I ordered 8, same cost for shiping.
I got some from there too. No complaints but I'm pretty sure this isn't the same thing Yellowhammer is talking about. Doesn't look or act the same as he describes it. I did find it worked better than water but I had better luck using it full strength rather than diluting with water. I can't remember what the instructions said.
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« Reply #41 on: July 08, 2020, 11:47:28 AM »
so doing better.  cleaned everything up and readjusted to 1/4 inch down pressure.  I can only go to about 1500 psi, and after that the spring is compressed and the increase per turn goes up 3x as fast.  would prob. break more blades with the spring having no reserve.  I changed to a 7 double hard (just tempered further down on the tooth).  It cut locust with no problem, and pine nice and strait.  it was a better log though as well.  fewer branches ect.  also made some boards to span across two jacks.  thought about pulling all the feet of the jacks to the center in a big X pattern to decreased the sway you get when stating and stopping the carriage.  (momentum and inertia).  I also was reminded that the leading edge of my drive side roller has been rounder over a bit, so I am replacing these.  Had a conversation with Matt, and will try adding more set to a blade for pine.  the fix they made is to put a nylon screw through the movable roller guide bracket.  will try more stuff.  thanks all! ;) :)



 


 


 


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Re: CUT THE CRAP: Pine!
« Reply #42 on: July 08, 2020, 12:22:03 PM »

 I'd fix the adjustable guide like Larry did,  a plastic screw might not last good.  Sounds like its doing better sawing, you sure don't want to run the spring tight as it would have no give , It should be 1 7/8" when tensioned  .  Steve
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« Reply #43 on: July 08, 2020, 01:01:02 PM »
Matt said that some are running at a tension of 1,000psi with good results.  not to go above 1400psi.  I think the 7 and being sharp made a lot of difference.  I may try the screw to see if that helps and spend more time on the fab of the ultimate mod later.  thanks again for all the help.  
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« Reply #44 on: July 08, 2020, 01:41:41 PM »
Dale, you might want to take a peek at this thread for guide arm modifications.

https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=79316.msg1204358#msg1204358

Almost 6 years later and its still working perfect.  1/4" down pressure no problem.
Larry that modification you made looks first class and sounds like it really helped.(can you get a picture of it on your mill 👍)

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« Reply #45 on: July 08, 2020, 01:46:59 PM »
what is the type material used for the low friction inserts?
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« Reply #46 on: July 08, 2020, 01:58:04 PM »
Pretty sure its UHMW Polyethylene. Larry will probably chime in when he gets on.  For the details and dimensions 

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« Reply #47 on: July 08, 2020, 02:00:47 PM »
Looks like you got a little shade to work in Doc. Its been pretty hot 🥵 lately 

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Re: CUT THE CRAP: Pine!
« Reply #48 on: July 08, 2020, 03:36:41 PM »
It probably was UHMW but my memory is not good.

I did my mod first and than I think GMM came up with the nylon bolt mod.  Ladylake was probably also involved.  After kicking it around for a while we decided the nylon bolt was quick, cheap, and solved the problem of down pressure.  My solution went a step further and also takes out arm vibration.  With a sharp blade, I sometimes get cuts where its near impossible to see any marks from the blade. 

Hard to get the camera in for a shot.





And since a walnut log sneaked into the picture figured I take a picture of the whole thing just for the WB.  37" across the crotch.  I'll have to trim a little there and 1" needs to come off the branch stub on the left.  I imagine the carriage will be rubbing when I make the cut. 

Its tomorrows breakfast and will be all 9/4 live edge.  It was on the stump yesterday morning.

 

Larry, making useful and beautiful things out of the most environmental friendly material on the planet.

We need to insure our customers understand the importance of our craft.

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« Reply #49 on: July 08, 2020, 09:41:15 PM »
had a helper today cutting another pine log.  lots of branches and had small waves but ok.  prob. was time for a new blade.  



 


 

the nylon nut was too thick and too much down pressure.


 

took off the nut on the top, and just went with a stainless bolt and wing nut to lock, with min. pressure to remove the vibration and stablize the blade height.



 

blade stayed clean



 

a nice 12 x 12 inch beam, 17 feet long.  I have new roller guides on order, and new belts for the drive wheels.  mine are flat.
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« Reply #50 on: July 08, 2020, 09:43:34 PM »
plan to do the more stable mod in the future.   :)
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« Reply #51 on: July 08, 2020, 09:53:39 PM »
Doc, no ear or eye protection for your helper? The National Wood Stackers Stickers Woodpecker Union will be coming after you... :D
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« Reply #52 on: July 08, 2020, 10:00:44 PM »
good point.  she ran the mill for all of 30 seconds so her dad could get a pic. :) you are right, however.  thanks!
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« Reply #53 on: July 08, 2020, 10:25:36 PM »
Doc, I know you are a safety conscious person and was thinking it was just a "Photo Op".
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« Reply #54 on: July 08, 2020, 10:38:25 PM »
 :) :) :) .  still a good thought, she wears glasses but had been on the trampoline, and brought her ol dad a drink!
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« Reply #55 on: July 08, 2020, 10:50:31 PM »
Nice pictures Doc. Didnt Matt talk you into a new 2020 yet 😂

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« Reply #56 on: July 09, 2020, 09:47:23 AM »
no but I am looking at a sharpener!  it would be nice.  
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« Reply #57 on: July 09, 2020, 01:54:49 PM »
Ok like I have said before
Get a band like this and it cuts bull pine nice and flat.
Notched tooth 1.5 x .050


 

 
 old log to,been in the yard a year. The knots are hard
 
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« Reply #58 on: July 09, 2020, 02:50:49 PM »
Bruno, is that a WM or Kasco blade.  can you resharpen them?
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« Reply #59 on: July 09, 2020, 03:37:13 PM »
It's a munkforks or something 
Link that.
Yes , I send them back to the place I buy them and they sharpen them.
My problem is they cut so well I leave them on to long and lower the life out of them.
They only cost $16.95 for 171" long
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