big husky saws

[weimedog]

So.... why are you having this discussion? What is the definition of win here??  Having a "third party" on the internet defining and/or presenting marking plans for a company is by definition.. gossip. 

[Spike60]

OK Ed you do sound convincing, or at least convinced. But since you claim to be in the know, and that your insight comes from the top, why not tell us just who it is that you are talking to? Not using anyone's name of course, cause that would not be cool at all. How about a title or job position? Are you able to speak to upper management or the product managers for North America? Or the product developement guys in Sweden? What is your source of information here? Is it first hand knowledge? Do you personally talk to anyone at Husqvarna at all or are you getting this second hand? From the 2 dealers who called Echo maybe?

Let's ask ourselves a couple of questions here. First, would, or why would, Husky abandon the large saw market? These saws don't sell in huge numbers, but they are still very important in the pro saw world. Most loggers, and every tree service company have these 90-95 cc saws in their fleets. It is simply not even slightly believable that Husky would walk away from this market. Even Dolmar is developing a large saw chassis.

The pro top handle market, with $600+ saws, is a similarly small niche. Stihl pretty much owned it with the MS200 for years. Despite the small size of that niche, Husky developed the T540 in order to be in the game, and they now have the class leader IMO.

Neither of these companies will allow the other to have any segment of the saw market all to themselves. MS241 and 543XP are another example of small and pricey saws that are designed for a narrow market niche. Most pro users are pretty loyal to one brand or the other, and neither wants their customers wandering across the street because of a hole in the lineup.

So, the idea that Husky is going to walk away from the 390 and 395 is kind of hard to believe, particularly for anyone who understands the big picture of the chainsaw market.

And if your knowledge here is from the top as you claim, perhaps you could also find out WHY these saws are going away. Because so far you have yet to give us the reason that this is happening! Do all of these guys who know what's happening know why it is happening? EPA? CARB? Tooling wore out? That end of the factory burned down? Without an answer to that question, your story is more than a little incomplete, don't you think?

Facts Ed. Facts are wonderful things, but you really don't have any here. And your posts when taken as a whole have some holes in the narrative. It's already happened in Canada, it's going to happen here in a matter of days, but let's bring the thread back up in 8 months and see then. So, what is it? When is it? Why is it?

Not much to go on Ed. Certainly not enough for you to start a thread like this IMO.

In closing, I'll say right now that should you turn out to be right I'll be the first to admit it and that I was wrong. And for any of you guys who think that Ed is on to something, and would like to buy a 395 or whatever before they are gone, just let me or hamish know and we'll get you as many as you want. 

[SawTroll]

ya but did you hear what the 2015 line up is ?

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  As always subject to change per consistent Husqvarna marketing wonders.

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I assume that is the bottom line here! 

You don't really know before it actually happened - and then it may change again.....

[ehp]

Certain Tech guys is who I have talked to Spike , the 576 which I thought was to be gone now is our big motor . Its a epa thing and not enough sales on big saws to warrant building new bigger saws then having to pay such a high price to have them legal to sell , Its all about making money period. I'm just saying like I was told and these guys have never feed me any BS before , I knew long before the 372 xp or the 346 was history before the news came out on the internet . Right now I wished I had some brandnew 346's . I honestly hope this is BS cause I like running these bigger saws but like I said before time will tell, At the rate things are changing in a couple years I will be cutting timber with a crosscut 

[ehp]

But if you ask me what I believe is going to happen , I think they will do the samething they did with the 372 xp, you will see them build a couple runs of each saw to fill the market cause the govt will let them do that , look at the number of the old style 372 they made after it was to be finished so I think that will happen again, Well I hope it does cause if it does not Stihl will be pretty much the only bigger saws out there and will not need to build better lighter stuff cause they will own the market , Stihl wins but the customer looses

[Spike60]

But if you ask me what I believe is going to happen , I think they will do the samething they did with the 372 xp, you will see them build a couple runs of each saw to fill the market cause the govt will let them do that , look at the number of the old style 372 they made after it was to be finished so I think that will happen again, Well I hope it does cause if it does not Stihl will be pretty much the only bigger saws out there and will not need to build better lighter stuff cause they will own the market , Stihl wins but the customer looses

Yeah, I remember when the 372 got canceled 3 times. I felt like a goofball whenever I had to explain that they were back. You'll probably recall that Husky really intended to cancel them, but the 575 and the 576 just never got accepted by 372 users. In fact I don't even stock 576's cause they really don't sell for me. Husky had no choice but to face reality and that's when they came up with the 372XT. No way they would they surrender the 70cc market to Stihl. And they're not going to walk away from the 90cc market either. The big saws don't sell in numbers where the fines add up to astronomical dollars, and therefore don't eat up emission credits. And besides, that stuff is factored into the price anyway. Probably why the MS440 was so expensive on it's return too: Let the end user pay the fine! 

I don't think anyone is feeding anyone any BS. And I'll say again that our debate here isn't personal in any way. Except that you continuing to hammer this idea has me wanting to order way more 395's than I actually need, "just in case".  (132 in Troy)

But sometimes incomplete info leads to incorrect conclusions. The 390 and 395 are obviously next up for replacement, so in that regard they are going away at some point. But that's a few years away.

[hamish]

The entire 300 series is up for replacement.  On thing to remember is its a global market, little to nothing in most regards to do with the EPA or CARB, (for those that wish to waste an hour of there lives regarding EPA regulations with respect to the arms length agreement with Canada I can dig up the Environment Canada link).

In my market I sell more 576's than 372's.

Nothing is different now than it was 14 yrs ago when the 200 series went away, looking at the last struggling models of the 300 series all 70cc+, all last remaining 5 models available, yes there day will come.

We all had ample notice that the 346NE was going away, I got a pallet of them, finally sold my last one in September this year.

As Spike mentioned they sell but are not a large segment of the market, and markets vary by region, try and sell a full wrap to an easterner that runs east coast dawgs.........doesn't happen. Most of the 80+cc saws in Canada at the warehouses have 2010-2012 build dates.  Simple supply and demand. Why build more when you still have so many available.  The 372 replacement is the pivotal market shift in this North American market, only after that will they even consider looking at the other models.  Globally it has already taken place.

I can send Bob a bunch of PNC's that are available in Canada that he can't and won't be able to order, its an EPA thing!

[Spike60]

Most of the 80+cc saws in Canada at the warehouses have 2010-2012 build dates.  Simple supply and demand.

I can send Bob a bunch of PNC's that are available in Canada that he can't and won't be able to order, its an EPA thing!

Those build dates are somewhat revealing. That indicates those saws aren't moving well enough to stay in the lineup up there, and that may have something to do with what Ed has been hearing. The 390's and 395's I got this month have 2014 build dates. Also, they are EPA and CARB compliant. 

OK, finish taunting me. What stuff do you have that I can't get anymore? 

[ehp]

2100 CD,  ,

[HolmenTree]

My brother owns a 2100 CD that never had fuel in it.

[LeeB]

How well does it run like that? 

[ehp]

I was just joking with Spike ,
I have owned alot of 2100's in my time but as far as what is my favorite saw to run that I have ever owned it would be my ported 562